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Thread: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some of us beeched about it when Bush was Prez just as much as we do now. I don't care who is doing it, I don't like it.
    I meant, you didn't hear Republicans complaining that Bush was violating what are supposed to be core Republican values while he was in office, but as soon as it's not their guy anymore, they bring them up as if they've supported them steadfastly all along.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    I voted that it won't have much effect. It will take a while before the GOP will gain any credible significance in what they they think or say. But, as sure as the pendulum swings both ways, that will have their day in the sun again. Eventually.

    The hard right who has, as of late, seemed to define the GOP gets more laughs and/or thoughts of disdain these days. Noboday cares. Wah, wah, wah....

    Sure, the goofball ideals do make for great entertainment, ie; Limbaugh, O'reilly, Coulter, etc., but when it comes down to the nut-cut, MOST Americans are just too smart for that silly propaganda. (How can we help ourselves? Most Americans, deep down are very good people.) Unfortunantly, those that are not, do tend to shout the loudest. It's lake a baby crying. What ya gonna do? Just feed 'em, fan 'em and give 'em a town hall to whine at. That's the American way.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I meant, you didn't hear Republicans complaining that Bush was violating what are supposed to be core Republican values while he was in office, but as soon as it's not their guy anymore, they bring them up as if they've supported them steadfastly all along.

    Hypocrisy, your name is Republican.

    Beg to differ. I heard plenty of Republicans complaining about Bush 2001-2008. Some of us left the party in large part because of the way things were run 01 to 08.

    Frankly I see vast amounts of hypocrisy and deceit from both parties.

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Republicans went too far in criticizing their own. McCain's 'illegitimate' black daughter anyone?
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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Libertarians are better at criticizing Obama than the "republicans".

    Libertarians are also better at criticizing Bush than the "democrats".

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Libertarians are better at criticizing Obama than the "republicans".

    Libertarians are also better at criticizing Bush than the "democrats".

    You can't expect one arm of the same tyrannical beast to fight another!
    Seems to me that a good number of Libertarians are really just Repubs who are now to embarrassed to admit it.


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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Show me a "republican" who wants to phase out all restrictions on immigration, phase out the military, get all government regulation out of marriage (i.e. ten men and ten women could all sign mutually-binding contracts and call themselves a family), get rid of all victimless crimes (prostitution, drugs, consensual cannibalism, whatever), allow contract-based polycentric law (ex Islamic sharia), legalize every possible combination of 1's and 0's (including kiddy porn), and so on, all in accordance to a consistent rational philosophy of individual self-ownership?

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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Show me a "republican" who wants to phase out all restrictions on immigration, phase out the military, get all government regulation out of marriage (i.e. ten men and ten women could all sign mutually-binding contracts and call themselves a family), get rid of all victimless crimes (prostitution, drugs, consensual cannibalism, whatever), allow contract-based polycentric law (ex Islamic sharia), legalize every possible combination of 1's and 0's (including kiddy porn), and so on, all in accordance to a consistent rational philosophy of individual self-ownership?
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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Don't buy chicken unless it was certified by a reputable quality assurance agency. Since in a free-market capitalist society no one can take a single penny from you without you consent (unless you initiate aggression against them first), this creates an incentive on the seller to compete to prove the quality of his products. It's probable that most stores won't even carry any uncertified products out of fear for their reputation.

    With centralized government force you get a single one-size-fits-all solution with a single point of failure. With a polycentric system you get many competing solutions, and thus transparency - everybody is watching everybody else, and anybody is incentivized to be a whistle-blower. Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.

    Competition also creates an incentive for innovation: one meat certification agency may do things cheaper than the rest, while another would be so paranoid you'd be able to download that chicken's whole life story on high-def video, including its genealogy and the names of every person who've handled it, and a nutrition label that's ten pages long.
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    Re: Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Show me a "republican" who wants to phase out all restrictions on immigration, phase out the military, get all government regulation out of marriage (i.e. ten men and ten women could all sign mutually-binding contracts and call themselves a family), get rid of all victimless crimes (prostitution, drugs, consensual cannibalism, whatever), allow contract-based polycentric law (ex Islamic sharia), legalize every possible combination of 1's and 0's (including kiddy porn), and so on, all in accordance to a consistent rational philosophy of individual self-ownership?
    I'm strongly inclined towards libertarianism...but I have some reservations and you've brought a couple of them up.

    phase out all restrictions on immigration
    A nation that doesn't exercise some control of its borders and of immigration is likely to not stay a nation long. What's to stop a "third column" invasion of alleged immigrants from forming a majority and taking over the country, warping it away from its existing structure and imposing a new structure? Or if not the whole country, a large chunk of it? With unrestricted immigration, Texas NM and Ok could break away and become "Aztlan" within a generation. That's not paranoid fantasy; google "Reconquista".


    legalize every possible combination of 1's and 0's (including kiddy porn)
    More radical than I've even heard most die-hard Libertarians talk, and arguably not a libertarian position even: wouldn't the exploitation of children in this manner constitute an "initiation of fraud"? The problem with kiddie porn is that it involves the exploitation of minors in ways they may well be too young to really understand, and to comprehend the implications and personal effects. I've said I'd prefer a Libertarian state to what we have now, but NOT if it doesn't protect young children from exploitation. You can't allow a six-year-old to freely contract with adults, they don't understand what they're getting into.

    You're not helping Libertarianism with stuff like that, Alex.

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