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Effects of Minimum Wage

Results of Raising the Minimum Wage


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The Independent Institute reports that In an American Economic Review poll, 90 percent of economists agreed that minimum wage laws increase unemployment among low-skilled workers."
This is just a natural application of the mainstream or neoclassical ideas on price formation and price fixing. The problem is that their formulations are quite simplistic and somewhat inaccurate. One would have to study the empirical data in more depth to really see if it was true.
 
This is just a natural application of the mainstream or neoclassical ideas on price formation and price fixing. The problem is that their formulations are quite simplistic and somewhat inaccurate. One would have to study the empirical data in more depth to really see if it was true.

Regarding whether raising min wages causes higher unemployment,is it not a matter of common sense and practicality? If you own a business and have, say $3200 available each week for salaries, you can employ 10 people at $8 an hour. However, if the min wage were raised to $10 an hour next week, you would only be able to employ 8 people instead of 10 with your budget.

This analysis may be called oversimplistic, but can anyone deny that this is precisely what occurs when the min wage is raised?

Another obvious issue is that virtually no one makes the "min wage" except teenagers and people who just started a job. The vast majority of low-skill and impoverished workers have been stuck in their crappy jobs for years, and have risen a few bucks ahead of min wage. So if the min wage is 6 dollars, and you're making 9 after several years of being with a company, a raise to 8 dollars won't do you a damn bit of good. It just helps teenagers and the few adults who happen to have recently started.

But you're still in poverty, and it just means the employer will have to lay off a few people.
 
It does not, however, change the fact that there is tons of evidence that the U.S. minimum wage decreased employment, a point which you haven't bothered to counter.

Actually, I've already noted that the heterogenous nature of labor markets allows for negative employment effects in a monopsony model, while the orthodox model does not allow for any broad positive employment effects. More importantly, it's likely that there are additional heterogeneities in employment trends that render many of the analyses you refer to deficient, as evidenced by an empirical source such as Dube, Lester, and Reich's Minimum Wage Effects Across State Borders: Estimates Using Contiguous Counties:

Local case studies of minimum wages typically find no significant employment effects, while studies using national data find some negative effects for teenagers. We argue that heterogeneity in spatial employment trends generates biased estimates in national analyses and causes overstatement of precision in local and national studies. We propose two new local estimators that compare all contiguous counties or metro areas in the U.S. that straddle a state-based minimum wage gradient. We find that the negative elasticities in national fixed-effects models are generated by unobserved heterogeneities in employment trends. Our local estimators are more robust and show no employment effects.

You've also said that you did have the ability to access many of this work in its entirety but simply weren't aware of it, so there's little excuse to remain willfully ignorant of it.

I won't argue that in a monopsony, minimum wage doesn't increase employment (to an extent). Most minimum wage jobs, however, are not part of a monopsony; most of them are jobs in places like McDonalds and Walmart where jobs are so easy to get that there is almost always competition between employers. In some places, in some industries, at some moments in time, minimum wage might increase employment- hence the New Jersey study. In a large country overall, though, this is very unlikely to be the case. Monopsony power just isn't a big enough factor.

That is not a well-informed claim, as there is a substantial amount of empirical research that demonstrates the precise opposite to be true. For example, consider Addison et al.'s Do minimum wages raise employment? Evidence from the U.S. retail-trade sector:

This paper examines the impact of minimum wages on earnings and employment in selected branches of the retail-trade sector, 1990–2005, using county-level data on employment and a panel regression framework that allows for county-specific trends in sectoral outcomes. We focus on specific subsectors within retail trade that are identified as particularly low-wage. We find little evidence of disemployment effects once we allow for geographic-specific trends. Indeed, in many sectors the evidence points to modest (but robust) positive employment effects.

We can also consider the effects of increased human capital acquisition induced by minimum wage legislation, as observed in Cahuc and Michel's Minimum wage unemployment and growth:

This paper shows that, in an overlapping generations, model with endogenous growth, minimum wage legislation does not necessarily has negative consequences on economic performance. Such legislation can have positive effects on growth by inducing more human capital accumulation. More precisely, a low demand for unskilled labor, induced by a minimum wage, may create an incentive for workers to accumulate human capital. Moreover, it is possible that a decrease in the minimum wage lowers the welfare of each agent in the economy.

Even aside from formal legislation, we can refer to the effects of union activity promoting incentives for human capital acquisition in apprenticeship training and the like through the establishment of minimum wages, which is supported by Dustmann and Schönberg's Training and Union Wages:

This paper investigates whether unions, through imposing wage floors that lead to wage compression, increase on-the-job training. Our analysis focuses on Germany. Based on a model of unions and firm-financed training, we derive empirical implications regarding apprenticeship training intensity, layoffs, wage cuts, and wage compression in unionized and nonunionized firms. We test these implications using firm panel data matched with administrative employee data. We find support for the hypothesis that union recognition, via imposing minimum wages and wage compression, increases training in apprenticeship programs.

For a more direct and straightforward analysis of the minimum wage's ability to provide efficiency benefits (as some do not conceptualize increased employment as increased static efficiency), we could consult Kass and Madden's Holdup in oligopsonistic labour markets - a new role for the minimum wage:

We consider a labour market model of oligopsonistic wage competition and show that there is a holdup problem although workers do not have any bargaining power. When a firm invests more, it pays a higher wage in order to attract workers from competitors. Because workers participate in the returns on investment while only firms bear the costs, investment is inefficiently low. A binding minimum wage can achieve the first-best level of investment, both in the short run for a given number of firms and in the long run when the number of firms is endogenous.

To confirm the aforementioned claim that minimum wages may shift activity to high-wage labor and away from unskilled, low-wage labor (which would also build on our earlier points about human capital acquisition), consider Acemoglu's Good Jobs versus Bad Jobs:

This article develops a model of noncompetitive labor markets in which high‐wage (good) and low‐wage (bad) jobs coexist. Minimum wages and unemployment benefits shift the composition of employment toward high‐wage jobs. Because the composition of jobs in the laissez‐faire equilibrium is inefficiently biased toward low‐wage jobs, these labor market regulations increase average labor productivity and may improve welfare

Finally, consider Todorovic and Ma's A Review of Minimum Wage Regulation Effect—The Resource-Based View Perspective, which employs meta-analytic techniques to expand beyond the potential deficiencies of single or isolated studies:

The debate around minimum wage regulations, in the aftermath of recent regulatory changes in the United States, continues to grow. This article contributes to present literature by engaging the minimum wage controversy from the resource-based view theoretical perspective. Based on literature review, we find that minimum wage regulations appear to exhibit different impacts in different countries. Using meta-analysis of the related literature, we propose a conceptual framework that highlights the relationship between national resource base and minimum wage regulatory impact. Specifically, we posit that minimum wage impact on a country, such as the United States, is moderated by the national resource base. Further, we identify opportunity cost associated with inadequate minimum wage regulations, as consisting of education, entrepreneurial propensity, and cost divergence. Our conclusions point to the positive effects of the minimum wage controls, including increased education, more productive operating practices, and the emphasis on skill development and high value activities.

So all in all, we actually have rather substantial empirical evidence of the minimum wage's benefits for employment, human capital acquisition, productivity, which constitute efficiency improvements or aids to such. The static orthodox model thus appears rather naive and incomplete in comparison.

I even told my economics-major brother that you were arguing that it was, and he said it was one of the stupidest arguments he's heard lately.

He certainly doesn't sound like the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. Is he a first-year student? That would explain why he's so ignorant of labor economics.

Since when did libertarianism, the ideology that the constitution follows, become extremism?

The Constitution actually contains numerous anti-democratic elements not compatible with libertarianism, even your pseudo-libertarian capitalist variant, believe it or not.

Many Republicans are libertarians. The two are not mutually exclusive like libertarians and Democrats.

I'm not a part of the Libertarian Party, but I'm definitely a libertarian.

Democrats and Republicans are typically not libertarians because of their capitalist ideology. As libertarianism and capitalism are incompatible, it's of course almost comical to suggest that "many Republicans are libertarians," let alone that the "Libertarian" Party might be. :rofl

Economic critics also make the case that minimum wage doesn't actually improve employment, overall. Indeed, there is ample evidence that minimum wage laws hurt employment. [9] [10] For indeed, of the top 15 employment rates only one (Iowa, at #5) has a minimum wage higher then Federally mandated, while four have one lower (Wyoming #3, New Mexico #7, Kansas #12, Arkansas #13).

This aptly illustrates the overall weakness of your approach; it's based on the selective incorporation of raw data without consideration of a wide number of additional variables that ultimately provides us with little to no information about the actual minimum wage. For that, we'd refer to the aforementioned empirical research, which supports my own assessment.

This analysis may be called oversimplistic, but can anyone deny that this is precisely what occurs when the min wage is raised?.

Certainly, and it would in fact be quite compatible with an informed labor economics analysis. Because of the fact that firms can cut wages without losing all of their workers, we are aware that they are confronted with upward sloping labor supply curves rather than infinitely elastic labor supply curves. In the context of the monopsonistic/oligopsonistic labor market, then, wage increases will be a valuable counter-balance to underpayment, and will reduce unemployment, which is a form of static inefficiency. Additionally, there is a hypothesis known as the efficiency wage hypothesis examined in labor economics, which posits that payment of wages above the market-clearing price will increase worker productivity. From that, we can infer that unit labor costs will decrease as wages increase. More importantly, the available empirical literature into the topic supports this analysis, as noted.
 
Certainly, and it would in fact be quite compatible with an informed labor economics analysis. Because of the fact that firms can cut wages without losing all of their workers, we are aware that they are confronted with upward sloping labor supply curves rather than infinitely elastic labor supply curves.

In other words, a company doesn't necessary have to resort to lay-offs to make up the difference; they can also reduce the wages of existing employee's. Certainly a company would do so if it were able, because it would mean maintaining the same number of employee's at the same total labor cost.

But what if it wasn't an option for a variety of reasons? Ecnomic and labor theory aside, a company which finds itself with a higher labor cost than it can sustain as a result of a sudden raise in the min wage MUST cut costs. And if it cant be done via the reduction of costs from other sources, then it must come via reducing the number of employee's.


Additionally, there is a hypothesis known as the efficiency wage hypothesis examined in labor economics, which posits that payment of wages above the market-clearing price will increase worker productivity. From that, we can infer that unit labor costs will decrease as wages increase. More importantly, the available empirical literature into the topic supports this analysis, as noted.

Surely this cannot be proven and is merely a hypothesis. An employer cannot sit back and assume that his workers will suddenly begin to produce more, and therefore provide the means to meet his new labor-cost demands.

Maybe on a large scale and over time this can be true, but such theories do not play a role in the decision of a manager who is facing a budget shortfall in the here-and-now.
 
Regarding whether raising min wages causes higher unemployment,is it not a matter of common sense and practicality? If you own a business and have, say $3200 available each week for salaries, you can employ 10 people at $8 an hour. However, if the min wage were raised to $10 an hour next week, you would only be able to employ 8 people instead of 10 with your budget.
It would depend in reality on quite a few factors such as what changes in so vast an area as low-skilled labour caused to issues of supply and demand in industries it touches. It could have the opposite effect to the above. One of the problems with the neoclassical ideas on price fixing, certainly for large aggregate items, is that it presumes an independence between supply and demand which is unlikely to occur in reality. In terms of supply and demand graphs this means that there may well be a new supply curve for every change in demand meaning that the usual talk of equilibrium prices to be of little use.

This analysis may be called oversimplistic, but can anyone deny that this is precisely what occurs when the min wage is raised?
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I certainly no in Britain that the doom forecasts about the minimum wage causing two million unemployed were shown to be wrong. I think the empirical data does not suggest a great deal of unemployment is caused.
 
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That is not a well-informed claim

Just because it contradicts a bunch of studies doesn't mean it's not well-informed. You can basically find a study to "prove" anything you want. You really need to stop talking like you have been blessed with ultimate knowledge, it gets annoying.

He certainly doesn't sound like the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. Is he a first-year student? That would explain why he's so ignorant of labor economics.

He's about to get his Master's. Believe it or not, there are very smart, very informed people who do not see things the way you do. In fact, given the obscurity of most of your beliefs, most well-informed people disagree with your views. So stop acting like your view is the "informed" one and everyone else's is the "uninformed" one.



As libertarianism and capitalism are incompatible,

What an immensely stupid claim.
 
Where exactly will you go when you leave and start this country of your own? The moon? The middle of the ocean?

Libertarians buying up adjacent land in New Hampshire and suing for secession is one possibility. Seasteading now and spacesteading in the future are realistic possibilities also. Don't much care for the moon though - there's far more treasure in the asteroid belt.


Not hardly would I try and stop you. [...]

Can I get that in writing, from you and all other government thugs? ;)
 
Angel, hold on a sec; I'm finding some information on efficiency wages for you to look at but want to get this little gem out of the quickly.

Just because it contradicts a bunch of studies doesn't mean it's not well-informed. You can basically find a study to "prove" anything you want. You really need to stop talking like you have been blessed with ultimate knowledge, it gets annoying.

Unless you can identify specific methodological deficiencies in the studies mentioned or post contrary and superior empirical research, your flailing here isn't very impressive. I'm not interested in your attacks on the empirical method; I'm interested in you actually supporting your claims, but you don't seem to be able to do so.

He's about to get his Master's. Believe it or not, there are very smart, very informed people who do not see things the way you do. In fact, given the obscurity of most of your beliefs, most well-informed people disagree with your views. So stop acting like your view is the "informed" one and everyone else's is the "uninformed" one.

That's a sad testament to the declining quality of our educational system. Someone apparently ignorant of even basic labor economics is about to get an Econ. Master's? He should at least try and read Alan Manning's Monopsony in Motion if he can understand it, or at least try and struggle his way through the Wikipedia article on monopsony. I hope he knows what the term means. :shock:

What an immensely stupid claim.

Speaking of Wikipedia, you could use a little refresher course yourself; maybe you and your professor bro could have a little study session. Here's what to write on the back of your flash card:

The French anarchist communist Joseph Déjacque was the first to employ the term libertarian in a political sense in May 1857, in an 11-page pamphlet De l'Etre Humain mâle et femelle (Concerning the Human Male and Female), an open letter criticizing Pierre-Joseph Proudhon published while its author was in exile in New Orleans.[15] From 1858 until his return to France in 1861 Déjacque published in New York a journal called Le Libertaire: Journal du Mouvement Social.[28][29]

According to the anarchist historian Max Nettlau, the first use of the term libertarian communism was in November 1880, when a French anarchist congress employed it to more clearly identify its doctrines.[30] The French anarchist journalist Sébastien Faure, later founder and editor of the four-volume Anarchist Encyclopedia, started the weekly paper Le Libertaire (The Libertarian) in 1895.[31]

Reflecting international use of the term "libertarian" by anarchists, Peter Kropotkin's 1909 The Great French Revolution noted that "the principles of anarchism" had "their origin" in the directly democratic sections of Paris."[32]. According to the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica article on anarchism, written by Peter Kropotkin[33], the economic and especially the mutual-banking ideas of Proudhon were applied by supporters the United States. The article states: "It would be impossible to represent here, in a short sketch, the penetration, on the one hand, of anarchist ideas into modern literature, and the influence, on the other hand, which the libertarian ideas of the best contemporary writers have exercised upon the development of anarchism." Writers he named included John Stuart Mill, Herbert Spencer, Jean-Marie Guyau, Alfred Jules Émile Fouillée, Multatuli, Richard Wagner, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ralph Waldo Emerson, William Lloyd Garrison, Henry David Thoreau and others.[34]

Numerous left libertarians or libertarian socialists around the world have so described themselves over the last 100 years.[35][36][37] Libertarian socialists, including Noam Chomsky and Colin Ward state that the term libertarianism is considered throughout the world as a synonym for anarchism but in the United States it means free market philosophies.[38][39][40]

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That's a sad testament to the declining quality of our educational system. Someone apparently ignorant of even basic labor economics is about to get an Econ. Master's? He should at least try and read Alan Manning's Monopsony in Motion if he can understand it, or at least try and struggle his way through the Wikipedia article on monopsony. I hope he knows what the term means. :shock:

Once again, you show unprecedented closed-mindedness and narcissism. I realize that debating you is a waste of time, and yet I will often find myself compelled to do so anyways. This is not one of those times.

My brother not only understands monopsony, he's the one I went to to explain the Wikipedia article on it back when I had no idea what your argument was.
 
Regarding whether raising min wages causes higher unemployment,is it not a matter of common sense and practicality? If you own a business and have, say $3200 available each week for salaries, you can employ 10 people at $8 an hour. However, if the min wage were raised to $10 an hour next week, you would only be able to employ 8 people instead of 10 with your budget.

This analysis may be called oversimplistic, but can anyone deny that this is precisely what occurs when the min wage is raised?

Assuming that the amount of demand for labor exceeds the supply. In the past five years we experienced conditions where the supply for cheap labor was surpassed by the demand. Fast food offering $10 an hour. Raising minimum won't change conditions then.

Your analogy is simplistic because it ignores the other real costs of labor. When you have to shell out thousands for additional insurance and worker's comp, employer FICA, among other state and federal taxes, that extra $2 an hour is really quite irrelevant. If we really want to reduce the cost of labor to employers, we need to start with costs that aren't directly given to employees. That's somewhat of an argument for stripping healthcare from business as it relieves a vast burden upon hiring new workers.
 
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Once again, you show unprecedented closed-mindedness and narcissism. I realize that debating you is a waste of time, and yet I will often find myself compelled to do so anyways. This is not one of those times.

My brother not only understands monopsony, he's the one I went to to explain the Wikipedia article on it back when I had no idea what your argument was.

He's an Austrian; the entire GMU faculty and economic program is infected with them. It consequently comes as no surprise to me that he doesn't understand the prevalence of monopsony power in the capitalist labor market, as most Austrians don't. Walter Block's article on the topic, for example, failed to even consider dynamic monopsony, which rendered much of it completely off-base.
 
Let's just get rid of the minimum wage and allow employers to set abusively low wages for unskilled workers. YEAH! :doh Seems to be the logic behind the conservative mantras.
 
Let's just get rid of the minimum wage and allow employers to set abusively low wages for unskilled workers. YEAH! :doh Seems to be the logic behind the conservative mantras.

Works for me.

If people don't wish to work for the wage offered, either someone else will, or the wage will have to be raised.

Just in case you didn't notice, this is one of the things "freedom" is about.

Making choices.

You, of course, are opposed to freedom, so you can't possibly understand.
 
You're forgetting the other major effect, which is that employees make more.

Which is good because the products they buy will cost more. Any "extra" money being made by a minimum wage increase is subsequently spent on the increased cost of daily purchases. Those who don't make minimum wage (the majority) aren't given a pay increase, so they just get to pay more for everything that the increased minimum wage forced to go up.
 
Which is good because the products they buy will cost more. Any "extra" money being made by a minimum wage increase is subsequently spent on the increased cost of daily purchases. Those who don't make minimum wage (the majority) aren't given a pay increase, so they just get to pay more for everything that the increased minimum wage forced to go up.

But does min wage really drive up the cost of things that much?
 
Businesses do not eat the cost, so it is passed onto the consumer.

But enough to raise the entire market? We're talking about a few people who flip hamburgers or sell t-shirts.
 
So, the cost of your hamburger and t-shirts go up.

But the offset buying power for those at the bottom of the ladder make up for it, as I see it, it helps them more than it hurts them.
 
But enough to raise the entire market? We're talking about a few people who flip hamburgers or sell t-shirts.

No you're not.

You're talking about the goonions that base their wage demands on what their members are making in excess of the minimum wage.

You're talking about, say, a 5% hike in the hourly wage equalling a higher percentage increase in employer overhead which is passed on the purchaser, compounded at all levels until it hits the final consumer.
 
No you're not.

You're talking about the goonions that base their wage demands on what their members are making in excess of the minimum wage.
What is a goonion?

You're talking about, say, a 5% hike in the hourly wage equalling a higher percentage increase in employer overhead which is passed on the purchaser, compounded at all levels until it hits the final consumer.

So its the employer's fault for going along with it. they could choose not to give other people a raise.
 
SEIU is one example. They're engaged in destroying America and work on several fronts.

UAW is another. They're engaged in destroying America's auto industry.

ah, Unions. Do you really have to be so crude as to use name-calling?
 
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