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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Huh? Do you know why there are so many languages spoken in China? Because they conquered so many lesser nations, that's why.

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    That was then, this is now. Two totally different ballgames.

    Also, it has a lot to do with the fact that the Chinese written language is not phonetic.

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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

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    Perhaps we should extract ourselves from those commitments.
    This may well be true. But there would be favorable ways to do so, and destructive ways. Myself, I favor the creation of an empire, but then I'm something of an antiquarian, and pine for the old days.
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Huh? Do you know why there are so many languages spoken in China? Because they conquered so many lesser nations, that's why.

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    Yes, I realize that. However, they essentially established the borders of their nation hundreds of years ago. By that definition, every nation is an empire including the United States.

    My point is that in the contemporary history of China, they don't exactly have a pattern of wanting to extend their borders beyond what has historically been part of China. Granted, Mao had maniacal dreams of establishing worldwide Maoism, but it never was put to any real action other than proxy influence. Its not as though China has colonies around the world or anything.
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    That was then, this is now. Two totally different ballgames.

    Also, it has a lot to do with the fact that the Chinese written language is not phonetic.
    Exactly. There have always been hundreds of local dialects in China. Written language has always tied them together more than spoken language. Its only been recently that Mandarin has became the default language in China.
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Why must the United States do this?
    The U.S. is currently the foremost power in the world, thus we benefit from world stability. Letting a China run by crazies go around invading people is not in our long term interests. We may not be the worlds policeman, but we would be foolish to ignore serious threats when they arise. Preventing an invasion of Taiwan is really for our sake not theirs.

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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    That was then, this is now. Two totally different ballgames.

    Also, it has a lot to do with the fact that the Chinese written language is not phonetic.
    Ah, but written language merges after spoken.

    The Chinese nation may well have left a taste for domination behind. And they may not. To be honest, when deal9ing with such a large number of people, it will take generations to discover what cultural chages are deep seated and which are ephemeral.


    On the other hand, one must cons9der that the one child policy, and the preference for sons has created an unnatural demographic in China. There are many millions of men now who can never hope for what we consider a normal life, with wife and children.

    To be frank, war could be very appealing to the Chinese as a method of eliminating the surplus male population.
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Considering the cozy nature of Chinese and American capital (and their respective governments) I would probably expect the American government to not even comment on this issue were it to happen, or offer some kind of watered down statement pandering to both the Chinese government and to those opposing it (something like "We disagree with this move by China but offer no support to either side"). Basically, the US would probably take a neutral position on this while at the same time continuing their relationship with China as an economic partner.
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Ah, but written language merges after spoken.
    The history of China must be the outlier, then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    The Chinese nation may well have left a taste for domination behind. And they may not. To be honest, when deal9ing with such a large number of people, it will take generations to discover what cultural chages are deep seated and which are ephemeral.

    On the other hand, one must cons9der that the one child policy, and the preference for sons has created an unnatural demographic in China. There are many millions of men now who can never hope for what we consider a normal life, with wife and children.

    To be frank, war could be very appealing to the Chinese as a method of eliminating the surplus male population.
    I think this speculation is off. China's reach has always exceeded its grasp, even today. The last thing they would want to do is add more territory, especially with the western areas about a frog's hair away from open rebellion.

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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I think that once a great superpower thought it could buy peace in its time by allowing the Sudetenland to be annexed by its aggressive neighbor, and so the great power abandoned its defensive obligations to Czechoslovakia, and tens of millions of people died needlessly as a result.
    Agreed. if China invades Taiwan, almost regardless of the circumstances, then that means that China is then a threat to neighboring countries, and we must oppose that.

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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Agreed. if China invades Taiwan, almost regardless of the circumstances, then that means that China is then a threat to neighboring countries, and we must oppose that.
    Taiwan isn't a country.

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