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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    China doesn't have a history of empire building though. They basically want what they think is historically theirs (Taiwan, Tibet), but that doesn't mean the next step for them would be India and Japan.
    You mean the Tibetian and Ughurs joined by choice?

    As far as Empire China, it has a deep history of Hegemons and Empires going back to before Western Europe even existed as a center of power.


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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    You mean the Tibetian and Ughurs joined by choice?

    As far as Empire China, it has a deep history of Hegemons and Empires going back to before Western Europe even existed as a center of power.
    Of course they didn't. However, China considers Tibet and Xinjiang to be historically part of China. Basically, what they want is what they consider to be historically, right or wrong, theirs.
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    China doesn't have a history of empire building though. They basically want what they think is historically theirs (Taiwan, Tibet), but that doesn't mean the next step for them would be India and Japan.
    China is an empire, many millennia ago it was built; otherwise this region would be fractionized as Europe is.
    But now, they seem to be a peaceful, non-aggressive nation.. Tibet aside.

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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Not an easy call. The economic damage to say from such a war would be utterly disastrous for the U.S. and it would take forever to recover. On the other hand, a China crazy enough to try it is a real world threat and needs to be stopped. Taiwan alone probably isn't worth the damage, but neither was the Sudetenand and we should seek a fight in a terrain advantageous to us.
    Sweet, so I'm guessing it's the United State's job to "stop them"?

    Who's gonna pay for that if it happens?
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Of course they didn't. However, China considers Tibet and Xinjiang to be historically part of China. Basically, what they want is what they consider to be historically, right or wrong, theirs.
    All Empires think the same way more or less, that was the thinking of the Germans and their reasons for war with Poland, their annexation of Austria, the Rhineland, etc etc. To say China doesnt have history of Empire building is not based on the facts of their history.


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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    China doesn't have a history of empire building though. They basically want what they think is historically theirs (Taiwan, Tibet), but that doesn't mean the next step for them would be India and Japan.
    Invading Norway or the Soviet Union didn't really fit in Hitlers goal of Lebensraum, yet he did it anyways. A China crazy enough to try an amphibious invasion considering the power of our navy cannot be trusted to follow such a predictable path. We have every advantage in the air and on the sea, we are at a severe disadvantage fighting a land war thousands of miles away. Better to stop them early when the circumstances are more favorable.
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    Sweet, so I'm guessing it's the United State's job to "stop them"?

    Who's gonna pay for that if it happens?
    We do. Make no mistake, it will be expensive and cost many lives. We probably would be able to garner allies, but we would shoulder the primary burden of the fighting.

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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    China doesn't have a history of empire building though. . ..
    Huh? Do you know why there are so many languages spoken in China? Because they conquered so many lesser nations, that's why.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Imperial_China]Early Imperial China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Mid-Imperial China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Imperial_China]Late Imperial China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    That said, pushing for Taiwan to become an autonomous zone is probably a useful goal. The U.S. doesn't have that much vested interest in keeping Taiwan utterly separated from the mainland. A smooth legitimate transfer of power than doesn't violate any of the agreements we made would probably be the most optimal solution.

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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Invading Norway or the Soviet Union didn't really fit in Hitlers goal of Lebensraum, yet he did it anyways. A China crazy enough to try an amphibious invasion considering the power of our navy cannot be trusted to follow such a predictable path. We have every advantage in the air and on the sea, we are at a severe disadvantage fighting a land war thousands of miles away. Better to stop them early when the circumstances are more favorable.
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    We do. Make no mistake, it will be expensive and cost many lives. We probably would be able to garner allies, but we would shoulder the primary burden of the fighting.
    Why must the United States do this?
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    Re: Is the Republic of China (Taiwan) worth protecting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    It might have been in another set of circumstances, but we have made commitments, and the Taiwanese have acted according to them. Thus by our own acts, it has indeed become our business. Responsibility is burdensome.
    Perhaps we should extract ourselves from those commitments.

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