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    Re: One World Government

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    as it is being pushed onto us - what do you think about it ?
    If it's in the form of a pluralist liberal democratic government then yes I see it as being a huge and necessary step for humanity to make the leap from Type 0 to Type 1 civilization on the Kardashev scale.

    * Type I — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available on a single planet — has approximately 1016 or 1017 W available.[2] Earth specifically has an available power of 1.74 ื 1017 W (174 petawatts, see Earth's energy budget). Kardashev's original definition was 4 ื 1012 W — a "technological level close to the level presently attained on earth" (presently meaning 1964).[3]
    * Type II — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single star, approximately 4 ื 1026 W.[2] Again, this figure is variable; the Sun outputs approximately 3.86 ื 1026 W. Kardashev's original definition was also 4 ื 1026 W.[3]
    * Type III — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single galaxy, approximately 4 ื 1037 W.[2] This figure is extremely variable, since galaxies vary widely in size; the stated figure is the approximate power output of the Milky Way. Kardashev's original definition was also 4 ื 1037 W.[3]

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale]Kardashev scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: One World Government

    Too many sectional differences to make it work properly. We (humanity) haven't really thought of ourselves as citizens of a world body so much as being citizens of whatever state or nationality we reside in.
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    Re: One World Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If it's in the form of a pluralist liberal democratic government then yes I see it as being a huge and necessary step for humanity to make the leap from Type 0 to Type 1 civilization on the Kardashev scale.

    * Type I — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available on a single planet — has approximately 1016 or 1017 W available.[2] Earth specifically has an available power of 1.74 ื 1017 W (174 petawatts, see Earth's energy budget). Kardashev's original definition was 4 ื 1012 W — a "technological level close to the level presently attained on earth" (presently meaning 1964).[3]
    * Type II — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single star, approximately 4 ื 1026 W.[2] Again, this figure is variable; the Sun outputs approximately 3.86 ื 1026 W. Kardashev's original definition was also 4 ื 1026 W.[3]
    * Type III — a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single galaxy, approximately 4 ื 1037 W.[2] This figure is extremely variable, since galaxies vary widely in size; the stated figure is the approximate power output of the Milky Way. Kardashev's original definition was also 4 ื 1037 W.[3]

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    Again someone comes out with this stuff.

    What about the federation and Star fleet, we'll need them first surely.

    Anyway democratic gov't of billions is mostly meaningless and liberal gov't even more so. The individual would be virtually nothing compared to the mass, he'd have basically no oversight to make the gov't accountable. Personally I'd rather have smaller than larger governing units with only co-ordination taking place at any level above the nation, or even region. And I certainly do not share the technocratic, gigantist wet dream of that scale. I prefer the human scale.
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    Re: One World Government

    Sorry for just jutting in, but maybe independent systems, with just one overarching system? Like the USA inside the U.N.?
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    Re: One World Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Again someone comes out with this stuff.

    What about the federation and Star fleet, we'll need them first surely.
    I'm not sure why you mock and dismiss the next step in human evolution as a joke.
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    Re: One World Government

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I'm not sure why you mock and dismiss the next step in human evolution as a joke.
    Because it is speculative and I reject it as "the next step". Don't try and foist your technocratic dreams onto me and call it "evolution". My idea of a progressive step for humanity is very different to an ever increasing reliance of mass society, mass technology and giant organisation. It seems to sum up Orwell's idea of the future of as a boot stamping on a human, or perhaps the better word is individuals, face forever.

    I believe in the human scale, smaller gov't in its scope, its size and area, less centralised organisations, more regional and local power and self-sufficiency, more huma-scale, appropriate technology, a better integration of rural and urban with an increased importance for agriculture and an economy and society that supports society better and supports individuals better so they can better find stability, liberty and individuality, not this run away fantasy that to me looks more like a nightmare. Tell me where is the human scale in this nightmare? When you talk of harnessing the power of planets, stars and galaxies how are you ever to remember the individual, the family, the local community those things that really matter.

    My hero's in this regard are the likes of Peter Kropotkin, William Morris, Lewis Mumford, Kirkpatrick Sale, Chesterbelloc and E.F Schumacher not Gene Rodenberry and Albert Speer.
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    Re: One World Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Again someone comes out with this stuff.

    What about the federation and Star fleet, we'll need them first surely.

    Anyway democratic gov't of billions is mostly meaningless and liberal gov't even more so. The individual would be virtually nothing compared to the mass, he'd have basically no oversight to make the gov't accountable. Personally I'd rather have smaller than larger governing units with only co-ordination taking place at any level above the nation, or even region. And I certainly do not share the technocratic, gigantist wet dream of that scale. I prefer the human scale.
    Meh the American Republic proved that wrong, as long as you have states within unions population size doesn't matter.

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    Re: One World Government

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Rather childish selections, so - no vote.
    A "one-world" government is many years, probably centuries ahead.
    Right now, we do not begin to the the quality of people for this.... and we may never have these people...
    Wow... ok... At the stage we're at now, the 'right major world crisis' would be enough to bring the world into the 'new world order' according to Rockefeller in his book 'memoirs'.

    How does the quality of people have anything to do with anything?? This is also aligned with 'elites' viewpoints that between 70-95% of humanity has got to go... I could point you to a few different sources (UN biodiversity study calls for 80% reduction in 1996)

    Are you aware that through treaty, US, Canada and Mexico are already united in the same way sense that there is a 'european union'... It's been about 5-6 years already.


    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    after WW3 or a super pandemic and the deaths of 4 to 5 billions in the "developing" countries to the extent that only "civil" and educated peoples are left, maybe such a government could be formed....

    Until then, why even try? It is an impossible task.
    Exept that about 3/4 of the countries in the world are either in-line with these objectives, or decidedly 'enemies' of this system.... those are the countries that we would call 'rogue states'.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Billion may be too large a number. People are much more sheep than wolf.
    Look at the 'georgia guidestones', that monument calls for a world population of 500million people in perpetuity.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Sorry for just jutting in, but maybe independent systems, with just one overarching system? Like the USA inside the U.N.?
    The problem is that the reality of the situation is alot close to the UN dictating laws to the various countries of the world.

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    Re: One World Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Meh the American Republic proved that wrong, as long as you have states within unions population size doesn't matter.
    I disagree completely, the American republic has tried its hardest to fight against this, and partially succeeded, but it has still succumbed. The federal gov't has grown massively in power at the expense of locales and states and accountability and restraints have decreased. The American republic is an admirable example that safeguards can have some effects but can't hold the inevitable tide for ever.
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    Re: One World Government

    The World Government you are talking about is real. It is almost inevitable. The process began in earnest after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war. The equally bipolar nature of the world at that time was a big decelerator. So what’s pertinent is not whether but when. There are two broad ways in which this can go:
    1. Hegemony of the already powerful and prosperous nations
    2. An all-inclusive, though a comparatively much slower process
    This will largely depend on which pattern of development is adopted. I’d fathom that there will be a hegemony of the powerful nations first. Therefore what is critical is the pattern of development adopted. The dominant paradigm of development based on intensive modernisation is conducive to scenario 1 and would accelerate it. Equitable distribution of profits and liberation perspectives would favour scenario 2. So the debate on the nature and currency of the world government is largely dependant on what are the policies adopted towards that end. I’d say that as of now, the world is steadfastly moving towards scenario 1 as the modernisation perspective is in favour.
    To see the composition of the world government primarily as a hegemony of the most powerful nations and opposing them blindly is being highly unrealistic. It is a mistake made by most members of the anti-globalisation movement. This mirrors an inability to realise the fact that the various power centres of the world are interlocking, interdependent and well networked. The hegemony itself is inevitable. The concern should be the composition of the world government in terms of policies, ideology, etc. Failure to recognise this, particularly in less educated developing nations might lead to a lot of bloodshed in the near future.
    It is best if the world government, instead of endorsing the dominant forces of today, introduced itself as being an all-inclusive medium wherein the world as it is today changes to the least possible degree.

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