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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Would it matter?
    The first person did not know that the second is Black once he made the claim.
    If you didn't know then no you are not racist, you made the comment in ignorance.


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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The first person called the second an ape because the first person thought the second was acting like one, races were not involved until the second person's comment.
    that was a general question. in this case, consider the worst possible case, that the first one really meant to insult the second one's race. if it's a one time only racial insult made because of the anger toward the other person, is the first guy considered racist, although his views differ from those of a racist?

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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by youknowwho View Post
    that was a general question. in this case, consider the worst possible case, that the first one really meant to insult the second one's race. if it's a one time only racial insult made because of the anger toward the other person, is the first guy considered racist, although his views differ from those of a racist?
    Again, he couldn't know what his race was, he couldn't insult his race.
    He called a person in the internet an ape, and then that person revealed that he's black and accused the first with racism.
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    Re: Is that racism?

    No the first person is not racist. In order for it to have been even considered racist was if the first person knew the race of the second person before he said it. Since that is not the case then the first person did not say a racist comment.

    However in my opinion the second person is being racist for continueing to claim the first person is racist even though the second person knows the first did not know the second persons race. It is legitimate to not change what the first person said since they did not intend it to be racist in the begining. As was obvious since the first person did not know the race of the second person when said comment was said.
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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No the first person is not racist. In order for it to have been even considered racist was if the first person knew the race of the second person before he said it. Since that is not the case then the first person did not say a racist comment.

    However in my opinion the second person is being racist for continueing to claim the first person is racist even though the second person knows the first did not know the second persons race. It is legitimate to not change what the first person said since they did not intend it to be racist in the begining. As was obvious since the first person did not know the race of the second person when said comment was said.
    A remarkable post, thank you, that was exactly my thought on this issue.
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    Re: Is that racism?

    "but that he would not change his mind, because he made the comment without knowing what the second person's race was, and changing it once knowing what his race is would be wrong."

    How would taking it back be worng? This makes absolutly no sense at all.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Again, he couldn't know what his race was, he couldn't insult his race.
    He called a person in the internet an ape, and then that person revealed that he's black and accused the first with racism.
    my point was, you cannot define someone's identity based on a one-time happening. it's called labeling, it's the purest form of bigotry and ignorance. so my answer to the op's question is that he is not, since he had made it clear that he does not believe in racism, regardless of what happened before.

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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "but that he would not change his mind, because he made the comment without knowing what the second person's race was, and changing it once knowing what his race is would be wrong."

    How would taking it back be worng? This makes absolutly no sense at all.
    Blackdog, the comment was made while not knowing the other person's race, hence the comment can in no way be racist in its meaning or intention.
    Hence, the revealing of the race of the second person to the first person should not make him take his words back, as the insult was made towards the individual and not a collective thing such as a race.
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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    However in my opinion the second person is being racist for continueing to claim the first person is racist even though the second person knows the first did not know the second persons race. It is legitimate to not change what the first person said since they did not intend it to be racist in the begining. As was obvious since the first person did not know the race of the second person when said comment was said.
    rac⋅ism  /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA

    –noun

    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is that racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Blackdog, the comment was made while not knowing the other person's race, hence the comment can in no way be racist in its meaning or intention.
    Hence, the revealing of the race of the second person to the first person should not make him take his words back, as the insult was made towards the individual and not a collective thing such as a race.
    And you had the opportunity to say Oh sorry about that you are still a jerk or whatever. But you knew and kept it up anyway, after you knew it was a racist term.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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