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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Again, you're looking at this like a socialist. Just because the Indians and Chinese are gaining, that doesn't mean that we're losing. Americans are moving toward jobs that suit our economy better. This doesn't mean McJobs. Many firms are able to hire more Americans because they outsource.
    Which makes the jobs of Americans a lot more dependent on such a complex international framework and large international corporations.

    I must say this reality contrasts strangely with the rugged, self-reliant individualism of some of its biggest defenders; the American style libertarians and similar.
    I certainly agree that our manufacturing sector is way too tied up with regulations. The free market should determine the fate of American industry Free trade has helped us in almost every case that it's been implemented, and tarrifs have hurt us economically. Look at the results of NAFTA, the liberaliztion of British trade in the 1840s, Jefferson's tarrifs on Britain and France during the Napoleonic Wars, and the Smoot-Hawely Tarrif that Hoover passed in 1930s.
    It is worth point out, though I'm no friend of aggressive protectionism, that next to no nation has become developed, in the sense we tend to use the term today, without protectionism and large state intervention. Britain for instance was built, if you can call Coketown, Gradgrind and the dark satanic mills building, on protectionism and state intervention.
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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Again dont call me a damn socialist, I am a nationalist. We are losing jobs, every single day, you ignore that at your and our risk. We are losing highly skilled jobs, and gaining low skill jobs filled by illegals and insourced work forces.
    Not to my satisfaction, not gona force you but it would be nice if you could elaborate with more detail.

    Not saying you are, but you're looking at this issue like one. You see one group benefiting by taking most of our manufacturing jobs and say that this means that we're getting hurt, that outsourcing is a zero-sum game. History shows that liberalizing trade has significantly helped, and tarrifs have hurt. We are losing jobs because of the recession. Outsourcing, at worst hasn't affected wages or or unemployment enough to bring either in the wrong direction.


    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Same measures do not always have the same results. To have a long term stabile economy you have to realise what is working and what isnt. Right now the wholesale of the united states is going on, with one hand opening our borders and the other clamping down on our manufacturing and light industry especially. We are allowing the insourcing of huge numbers of IT people, who are driving down wages and stealing American jobs( I am in this field and have seen the devastation this is causing).
    I support stronger border protection as well because of the strain it puts on public services. Illegal immigration may be damaging to workers in fields like agriculture, that's why people move to other fields that suit them and the economy better.

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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Which makes the jobs of Americans a lot more dependent on such a complex international framework and large international corporations.

    They're more flexible and better suited to driving economies than big governments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I must say this reality contrasts strangely with the rugged, self-reliant individualism of some of its biggest defenders; the American style libertarians and similar.
    It is worth point out, though I'm no friend of aggressive protectionism, that next to no nation has become developed, in the sense we tend to use the term today, without protectionism and large state intervention. Britain for instance was built, if you can call Coketown, Gradgrind and the dark satanic mills building, on protectionism and state intervention.
    State intervention helped in the sense that military conquest is state intervention. The largest amount of growth during the 18th century was when British offcials largely turned a blind eye to trade restrictions imposed on the colonies. Britain's dominance was based off of imperialism, not protectionism

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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    They're more flexible and better suited to driving economies than big governments.
    Barely and they are big gov'ts children.

    State intervention helped in the sense that military conquest is state intervention. The largest amount of growth during the 18th century was when British offcials largely turned a blind eye to trade restrictions imposed on the colonies. Britain's dominance was based off of imperialism, not protectionism
    Imperialism is a form of state intervention and protectionism but protectionism played a key part. I suggest reading up on things like the Navigation acts and such. Christopher Hill's Reformation to the Industrial Revolution, the Penguin history, gives a reasonable overview of the early stuff. Dobb's Studies in the Development of Capitalism is also informative despite the author's ideology.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 08-28-09 at 01:32 AM.
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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Barely and they are big gov'ts children.
    In many cases yes, but not always. I do agree that big business and Government are often far too close

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Imperialism is a form of state intervention and protectionism but protectionism played a key part. I suggest reading up on things like the Navigation acts and such. Christopher Hill's Reformation to the Industrial Revolution, the Penguin history, gives a reasonable overview of the early stuff. Dobb's Studies in the Development of Capitalism is also informative despite the author's ideology.
    I said that imperialism was a form of state intervention. I'm aware of the Navigation Acts. They were loosely enforced during Colonial America's largest period of economic growth. Pax Britannia cam after Britain repealed the Acts and Corn Laws

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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Globalization is key to becoming a Type 1 civilization

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale]Kardashev scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    In many cases yes, but not always. I do agree that big business and Government are often far too close
    Actually it is always. A corporation is by definition a creature of the state.

    I said that imperialism was a form of state intervention. I'm aware of the Navigation Acts. They were loosely enforced during Colonial America's largest period of economic growth.
    Proof and magnitude please.

    Pax Britannia cam after Britain repealed the Acts and Corn Laws
    When it was already in the leading position in terms of economic power. A position of course which began too slide within a quarter of a century of their removal to nations such as Germany and the US who retained protectionism.
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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Globalization is key to becoming a Type 1 civilization

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    I hear it is also important for the birth of Star fleet.
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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually it is always. A corporation is by definition a creature of the state.
    Proof and magnitude please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    When it was already in the leading position in terms of economic power. A position of course which began too slide within a quarter of a century of their removal to nations such as Germany and the US who retained protectionism.
    Both of these countries either consolidated into one country, or began exploiting its vast resources. I'll talk tomarrow

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    Re: Is globalization a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    That seems to prove your point partially although you seem to talking about the colonies. Not only were they pre-capitalist but the navigation acts certainly had a large impact on Britain. I was originally focusing on Britain. America had its own protectionism a little later when it began its capitalist development.

    Both of these countries either consolidated into one country, or began exploiting its vast resources. I'll talk tomarrow
    Rubbish. They used protectionism as the British did. A major issue in the civil war was the tariff. I'm not saying this was the sole reason for their prosperity but that it had a definite impact.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 08-28-09 at 02:19 AM.
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