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  • I'm pro-choice and I support UHC

    22 46.81%
  • I'm pro-choice and I do not support UHC

    9 19.15%
  • I'm pro-life and I support UHC

    2 4.26%
  • I'm pro-life and I do not support UHC

    11 23.40%
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    Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    I'm just curious how many people are pro-choice and support UHC. I can't honestly see how someone can say "It's my body, it's my choice" and "It's between me and my doctor" when it comes to abortion, but can allow the government to interfere when it comes to UHC. Because if UHC passes, it will no longer be "your choice", it will be the "government's choice" in regards to what they want to pay for. It will no longer be a choice that you and your doctor make because the bureaucracy of government is now the ultimate voice in the matter.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    1. This thread is based on a false premise in that no bills up for consideration would nationalize health care. Most people will simply continue to have the same employer group benefits they have now.

    2. Right now insurance companies decide what treatment you get and won't get. Now lets say you are being treated for cancer, do you honestly think that you can switch insurers if you are unhappy with the one you have?
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    I'm just curious how many people are pro-choice and support private health care. I can't honestly see how someone can say "It's my body, it's my choice" and "It's between me and my doctor" when it comes to abortion, but can allow a private corporation to interfere when it comes to health care. Because if private health care passes, it will no longer be "your choice", it will be the "the private corporation's choice" in regards to what they want to pay for. It will no longer be a choice that you and your doctor make because the bureaucracy of the corporation is now the ultimate voice in the matter.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    I'm just curious how many people are pro-choice and support UHC. I can't honestly see how someone can say "It's my body, it's my choice" and "It's between me and my doctor" when it comes to abortion, but can allow the government to interfere when it comes to UHC. Because if UHC passes, it will no longer be "your choice", it will be the "government's choice" in regards to what they want to pay for. It will no longer be a choice that you and your doctor make because the bureaucracy of government is now the ultimate voice in the matter.

    Every time this comparison comes up it kind of makes me laugh. The insurance company dictates what tests, treatment, ect. I can have. I really don't see that as an argument against healthcare reform.



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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    OK, take off your rose colored glasses and let's look at this honestly for a minute OK?
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    1. This thread is based on a false premise in that no bills up for consideration would nationalize health care. Most people will simply continue to have the same employer group benefits they have now.
    Really? You mean that if there was a free alternative out there and struggling business owners could save millions of dollars by dropping their private insurance they offer to their employees that they wouldn't jump at the chance to save so much money? I know my employer would drop Blue Cross/Blue Shield in a second if UHC was available - much to the dismay of at least 90% of the employees.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    2. Right now insurance companies decide what treatment you get and won't get. Now lets say you are being treated for cancer, do you honestly think that you can switch insurers if you are unhappy with the one you have?
    You have the option to purchase different insurance coverage, yes. But what does cancer have to do with abortion (you know, the topic at hand)?
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Really? There's a difference between provision and prohibition.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Every time this comparison comes up it kind of makes me laugh. The insurance company dictates what tests, treatment, ect. I can have. I really don't see that as an argument against healthcare reform.

    So with private insurance, one would have the right to choose their coverage (you know, how much the provider will cover, what they cover, etc...). But with UHC, they wouldn't have an alternative once private insurance is eliminated (Obama's goal).
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    OK, take off your rose colored glasses and let's look at this honestly for a minute OK?

    Really? You mean that if there was a free alternative out there and struggling business owners could save millions of dollars by dropping their private insurance they offer to their employees that they wouldn't jump at the chance to save so much money? I know my employer would drop Blue Cross/Blue Shield in a second if UHC was available - much to the dismay of at least 90% of the employees.
    If they were to pass a public option it would not be a free alternative. You would pay premiums for it just like you pay premiums to a private insurer. Universal Healthcare does not mean free health care for everyone. I means coverage accessible enough for everyone to have it.

    You have the option to purchase different insurance coverage, yes. But what does cancer have to do with abortion (you know, the topic at hand)?
    So if you undergoing treatment for a serious condition and you think your insurance company is denying coverage for treatment you think you need, you will be able to find another insurer to take you? Not going to happen, which is the problem with that argument. As soon as you get any serious condition you are stuck with the insurer you have because no other insurer will take you, so you are scared to death to lose what you have at that point. The days of choice for you at that point are over.

    There are plenty of arguments against the plans being considered in congress. Namely, cost and if the federal government could ever efficiently run that large of a program. However, the whole "death panel" government deciding what care you will get it a legitimate argument as right now its an insurance employee with a financial motive to deny you care thats making that decision.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If they were to pass a public option it would not be a free alternative. You would pay premiums for it just like you pay premiums to a private insurer. Universal Healthcare does not mean free health care for everyone. I means coverage accessible enough for everyone to have it.
    It would be free to my employer now wouldn't it? In time, it will be the only option. Obama wants to wipe out private health insurance and has stated as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So if you undergoing treatment for a serious condition and you think your insurance company is denying coverage for treatment you think you need, you will be able to find another insurer to take you? Not going to happen, which is the problem with that argument. As soon as you get any serious condition you are stuck with the insurer you have because no other insurer will take you, so you are scared to death to lose what you have at that point. The days of choice for you at that point are over.
    You are once again off-topic (as usual) and where did I say after the diagnosis? You assumed incorrectly - yet again.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There are plenty of arguments against the plans being considered in congress. Namely, cost and if the federal government could ever efficiently run that large of a program. However, the whole "death panel" government deciding what care you will get it a legitimate argument as right now its an insurance employee with a financial motive to deny you care thats making that decision.
    Did I mention death panels? But I have a choice with private insurance, I don't with the federal government. This was the point of this thread and the poll. Choice will be non-existent if UHC takes off and private health insurers are done away with. At least there are choices presently. Albeit the choices are not perfect, but instead of taking over the health care industry, let's try to fix what we have (choice).
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    It would be free to my employer now wouldn't it? In time, it will be the only option. Obama wants to wipe out private health insurance and has stated as such.
    If you switched to an individual policy today it would be "free to your employer". What keeps them from eliminating their health insurance benefit? They still have to compete with other companies for labor resources and health insurance is one of the tools they use to compete with for the best and the brightest employees.

    You are once again off-topic (as usual) and where did I say after the diagnosis? You assumed incorrectly - yet again.
    The only time you would switch insurers beforehand would be if you switched companies and thus fell under a different group plan, or found a cheaper premium. If you argument is that the government could deny you care and there is nothing you can do about it, then that is no different than your current insurer denying you care.

    But I have a choice with private insurance, I don't with the federal government. This was the point of this thread and the poll. Choice will be non-existent if UHC takes off and private health insurers are done away with.
    The only reason why private health insurers would be done away with would be if they could not compete with a public plan. I find that hard to believe. I don't think private insurers will have any problem competing with a public plan.
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