View Poll Results: Where do you stand on UHC?

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  • I'm pro-choice and I support UHC

    22 46.81%
  • I'm pro-choice and I do not support UHC

    9 19.15%
  • I'm pro-life and I support UHC

    2 4.26%
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    11 23.40%
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We already have Medicaid/care for that.

    We don't need anything more than we already have.
    Medicare only covers people over 65; good luck getting affordable insurance on your own if you're 60. Medicaid does not cover all serious illnesses for all poor people. And there is no coverage at all for people who are already sick and can't get insurance.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We already have Medicaid/care for that.

    We don't need anything more than we already have.
    So my brother, who has cancer that is in complete remission, if he chooses to change jobs and his cancer flairs up again, Medicaid will cover his medical costs not covered by his new insurance since it is a pre-existing condition?

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Medicare only covers people over 65; good luck getting affordable insurance on your own if you're 60. Medicaid does not cover all serious illnesses for all poor people. And there is no coverage at all for people who are already sick and can't get insurance.
    That's one way to ignore the greater problem, sure, I just hope you realize how government has proven, conclusively, that it will always make life worse for these people than private companies.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So my brother, who has cancer that is in complete remission, if he chooses to change jobs and his cancer flairs up again, Medicaid will cover his medical costs not covered by his new insurance since it is a pre-existing condition?
    Yeah it currently cover's my sister's brain cancer, why not?

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Medicare only covers people over 65; good luck getting affordable insurance on your own if you're 60. Medicaid does not cover all serious illnesses for all poor people. And there is no coverage at all for people who are already sick and can't get insurance.
    I've dealt with Medicaid for 7 years now, luckily never for anything really serious. In my experience it depends on the provider. I've dealt with two, one was terrible and one has been great.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's one way to ignore the greater problem, sure, I just hope you realize how government has proven, conclusively, that it will always make life worse for these people than private companies.
    So your sister with brain cancer is worse off on Medicaid than she would be without it?
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So your sister with brain cancer is worse off on Medicaid than she would be without it?
    I'm not contesting Medicade on this thread.

    I said we already have coverage for your examples, which we do, and therefore there is no need to have UHC even assuming it would stop with covering only those who fall through the cracks.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not contesting Medicade on this thread.

    I said we already have coverage for your examples, which we do, and therefore there is no need to have UHC even assuming it would stop with covering only those who fall through the cracks.
    You said:
    That's one way to ignore the greater problem, sure, I just hope you realize how government has proven, conclusively, that it will always make life worse for these people than private companies.
    Sounds pretty absolute to me. If government is always so horrible, why aren't you arguing against Medicaid too? Could it be because you personally know someone who benefits from it? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

    Or are you suggesting that Medicaid is good, but UHC would not help people the way that Medicaid does? If so, on what are you basing this conclusion?
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You said:


    Sounds pretty absolute to me. If government is always so horrible, why aren't you arguing against Medicaid too? Could it be because you personally know someone who benefits from it? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

    Or are you suggesting that Medicaid is good, but UHC would not help people the way that Medicaid does? If so, on what are you basing this conclusion?
    Why am I not falling for your lame debate tactics and attempts to change the subject with unrepresentative samples and red-herrings?

    I'm a better debater than you.

    The current system needs reform. Obama would add to the existing dysfunctional blunder, not correct any existing problems.

    I want to fix the current problems, and adding more problems is not the way to fix the existing problems.

    When the governement proves that it can run anything by fixing SS, then after 40 years I might, mabye, be open to Obama's sugestions.

    Until then, no UHC. Not a "compromise". Nothing.
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-29-09 at 02:44 AM.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why am I not falling for your lame debate tactics and attempts to change the subject with unrepresentative samples and red-herrings?

    I'm a better debater than you.
    No. You really aren't. I'm much smarter than you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    The current system needs reform. Obama would add to the existing dysfunctional blunder, not correct any existing problems.
    And once again: You are basing this on what exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    I want to fix the current problems, and adding more problems is not the way to fix the existing problems.

    When the governement proves that it can run anything by fixing SS, then after 40 years I might, mabye, be open to Obama's sugestions.
    Can government run Medicaid? Or should it be abolished? It's a simple question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Until then, no UHC. Not a "compromise". Nothing.
    This is ridiculous. Despite your claims to the contrary, you don't want to fix the current problems, you want to oppose any and all change unless it's 100% perfect.

    I still haven't heard you explain why you think Medicaid is an effective program and why UHC would not be an effective program. I'm waiting.
    Last edited by Kandahar; 08-29-09 at 03:18 AM.
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