View Poll Results: Where do you stand on UHC?

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  • I'm pro-choice and I support UHC

    22 46.81%
  • I'm pro-choice and I do not support UHC

    9 19.15%
  • I'm pro-life and I support UHC

    2 4.26%
  • I'm pro-life and I do not support UHC

    11 23.40%
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is false. A private company will make decisions based on a profit motive.
    Right, exactly.

    Go take a basic econ class and discover who gives the company that profit and you might understand.

    Private: profit to shareholders.
    Public: Power over your personal life.

    I support the profit motive any day.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, exactly.

    Go take a basic econ class and discover who gives the company that profit and you might understand.
    Companies profit from their customers, but that is not at all the same thing as doing what your customers want because it increases your profits the most. Typically, health insurers do not compete over who can offer the best service at the lowest price. They compete over who can cut costs the most by screwing over the most people.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, exactly.

    Go take a basic econ class and discover who gives the company that profit and you might understand.

    Private: profit to shareholders.
    Public: Power over your personal life.

    I support the profit motive any day.
    Except that it's not ideal to have some one making health care decisions based on a profit motive. At least the government has to make an attempt to appear like they care about us.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except that it's not ideal to have some one making health care decisions based on a profit motive. At least the government has to make an attempt to appear like they care about us.
    Yes, rationed care just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy!

    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    Yes, rationed care just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy!

    You mean like we all have now? The only difference between a public option and private insurance is who decides what is covered.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You mean like we all have now? The only difference between a public option and private insurance is who decides what is covered.
    And I have a choice with the private option, but not with the public one.

    The key to fixing this mess is to de-regulate the private insurance industry. For example, I work in Mississippi, but live in Alabama. I have to have insurance in MS. Fortunately for me, I have Blue Cross and AL accepts BCBSMS, but this is not the case in many other states. Tort reform and loosening the reigns on states accepting insurance from other states is the key here, not the government takeover of the HC industry.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    And I have a choice with the private option, but not with the public one.
    Then you are fortunate that you are not sick. If you had a major illness, you'd be stuck with your current plan. If you could even find an alternative plan that was willing to cover your preexisting conditions, it would cost a fortune.

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N
    The key to fixing this mess is to de-regulate the private insurance industry. For example, I work in Mississippi, but live in Alabama. I have to have insurance in MS. Fortunately for me, I have Blue Cross and AL accepts BCBSMS, but this is not the case in many other states. Tort reform and loosening the reigns on states accepting insurance from other states is the key here, not the government takeover of the HC industry.
    I'm not aware of any states that tell specific health insurers they can't do business there. Generally the problem lies more with hospitals and the insurers themselves being unable to come to an agreement.

    Tort reform is all well and good, but it has nothing to do with what you are talking about here.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except that it's not ideal to have some one making health care decisions based on a profit motive. At least the government has to make an attempt to appear like they care about us.
    If you don't like either option, you can follow my avatar's advice and get only catastrophic coverage while self-insuring the rest.

    Problem solved.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you don't like either option, you can follow my avatar's advice and get only catastrophic coverage while self-insuring the rest.
    ...if you aren't already sick and/or old, and have enough cash on hand to self-insure most major-but-less-than-catastrophic conditions.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    ...if you aren't already sick and/or old, and have enough cash on hand to self-insure most major-but-less-than-catastrophic conditions.
    We already have Medicaid/care for that.

    We don't need anything more than we already have.

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