View Poll Results: Where do you stand on UHC?

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  • I'm pro-choice and I support UHC

    22 46.81%
  • I'm pro-choice and I do not support UHC

    9 19.15%
  • I'm pro-life and I support UHC

    2 4.26%
  • I'm pro-life and I do not support UHC

    11 23.40%
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    OK, take off your rose colored glasses and let's look at this honestly for a minute OK?

    Really? You mean that if there was a free alternative out there and struggling business owners could save millions of dollars by dropping their private insurance they offer to their employees that they wouldn't jump at the chance to save so much money? I know my employer would drop Blue Cross/Blue Shield in a second if UHC was available - much to the dismay of at least 90% of the employees.
    Universal health care doesn't mean it's a "free alternative." The primary source of revenue for the program would still be premiums from the insurees. Yes, there would be subsidies for those who couldn't afford the premiums, but that isn't at all the same thing as free health care.

    Second of all, you are probably right that employers will begin to drop health insurance en masse once there is a universal health care plan. But whether you like the public plan or not, it's a good thing to transition away from our current employer-based system. Even if you prefer private insurance, surely you would agree that having a system where health insurance is attached to employment is economically inefficient?

    Furthermore, you said that 90% of the employees where you work would be dismayed if your employer dropped Blue Cross / Blue Shield. Well, if people suddenly aren't getting insurance through their employers anymore and many of them don't want the public option, that creates a pretty strong incentive for private insurers to compete with one another over prices in the INDIVIDUAL market, to get all these additional customers.


    Quote Originally Posted by P/N
    You have the option to purchase different insurance coverage, yes. But what does cancer have to do with abortion (you know, the topic at hand)?
    If you have cancer and you don't like your insurer, you're pretty much stuck. If you could find an insurer who would cover your preexisting condition at all, you'd pay an unaffordable premium.

    As for the topic of this thread, there are plenty of reasons to be pro-choice besides the whole "My body, my choice" thing. In a free society I believe you need a good reason to make something ILLEGAL, not to make it legal. Lacking a valid justification for banning abortion (at least in my opinion), I am pro-choice by default. I don't see how it's relevant to universal health care.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    I'm just curious how many people are pro-choice and support UHC. I can't honestly see how someone can say "It's my body, it's my choice" and "It's between me and my doctor" when it comes to abortion, but can allow the government to interfere when it comes to UHC. Because if UHC passes, it will no longer be "your choice", it will be the "government's choice" in regards to what they want to pay for. It will no longer be a choice that you and your doctor make because the bureaucracy of government is now the ultimate voice in the matter.
    Oooh, won't that be fun! If my tax dollars go to funding abortions, I will expect full transparency in who gets what done, kind of like with FEC and SEC filings. If it's good for the goose ...

    Of course that'll never happen. The slogan will be changed to, "my body, my choice, your money." Yay.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    I would support a UHC program, depending on the details. I like the concept, but there are practical considerations.

    I do not consider myself "pro-choice", but as "pro abortion rights". I think the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are euphemisms used by those afraid of the word abortion.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    So with private insurance, one would have the right to choose their coverage (you know, how much the provider will cover, what they cover, etc...). But with UHC, they wouldn't have an alternative once private insurance is eliminated (Obama's goal).
    No, I don't have the option of choosing. I take what my employer offers. I certainly couldn't afford to pay the premiums by striking out on my own.


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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Oooh, won't that be fun! If my tax dollars go to funding abortions, I will expect full transparency in who gets what done, kind of like with FEC and SEC filings. If it's good for the goose ...

    Of course that'll never happen. The slogan will be changed to, "my body, my choice, your money." Yay.
    Your tax dollars do not go to fund abortions. So I fail to see the point there.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Your tax dollars do not go to fund abortions. So I fail to see the point there.
    I believe the question posed in the OP was a hypothetical one, correct? That's how I'm responding.

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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    This seems like a false dichotomy. I'll explain

    Abortions aren't provided or paid for with tax payer money to my knowledge. It's the kind of **** storm no liberal-progressive-moderate-administration has ever dared to touch. And pro-choice is about a person's right to choose to whether to go through or to not go through pregnancy. Whether or not you have the means ie. capital to pay for an abortion is entirely on that person. With that being said unless through the 'Obamacare' plan the government starts paying for privately performed abortions with tax payer money(doubt it but I could be wrong) then I do not see why these issues are related or even come into some kind of problem with each other. You still have the right to choose whether or not you want to get an abortion and if you have the money for it, more power to you. $400USD.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Abortions will be funded by the proposed UHC program. If you don't believe that, then your eyes aren't open.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    Abortions will be funded by the proposed UHC program. If you don't believe that, then your eyes aren't open.
    That is still being debated, and there is absolutely no way that it will end up in the final bill. The Democrats are having enough trouble keeping their members in line as it is...I highly doubt they're going to make a big fuss over a culture war issue, and all but force pro-life Democrats to vote against the bill.
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    Re: Pro-choice and Pro-UHC

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    It would be free to my employer now wouldn't it? In time, it will be the only option. Obama wants to wipe out private health insurance and has stated as such.
    I would actually like to see a video of him saying such.
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