View Poll Results: Should people be given a second chance?

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Committing another crime while out on bond awaiting trial should be instant death penalty-- if you can't control yourself for a couple of months when you are already in serious trouble, there's little point in trying to rehabilitate you.

    Especially if the other crime is similar to the first.

    I can't help but think of that woman who caused an accident with multiple fatalities while texting on her cell phone-- after several tickets and while waiting for a court appearance.
    i think you're a bit harsh here.

    if a person keeps getting tickets perhaps first you should revoke his/hers driver's license - not kill the person.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why? It is because of records that people that have served their time and have reformed cannot get a good decent paying job. It is often that hardship that brings people back to a life of crime.
    thats why the person shouldn't do any time - he should simply get that record - emailed to his employer.

    if his record gets bad enough one day when he walks into an emergency room with a gun shot wound he will be informed " sorry, but we do not service pieces of sh1t like you here "
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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    In the case of texting, perhaps an adaptation of the breath testing device some persons with drunk driving convictions get? A device that blocks cell-phone text messages in a car-wide area?
    yes or good old fashioned BREAKING HANDS WITH A HAMMER !

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What about if you at some point do something stupid, and never anything afterwards? Should that one stupid act be a unrepairable blot on the rest of your life?
    yes.

    if you get drunk, drive and end up losing your legs in a car accident - do you get your legs back because it was your first accident ?

    NO.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    yes.

    if you get drunk, drive and end up losing your legs in a car accident - do you get your legs back because it was your first accident ?

    NO.
    Not the situation I was refering too.

    Although, of course, you are correct, in part.

    There are artifical legs, of course.
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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which is why I added in the 15 year period. I would think that anyone that can live those 15 years without reverting has truely changed for the simple fact that it is so hard to get a job that will support you and where applicable your family when you have a felony record. I believe that it is because of that that the recidivism rate is so high.
    I agree, if you havent reformed in 15 years the chances are your not going to but then we are back to knowing who has truely reformed and those that havent.

    Lets also not forget that for many people that spend 20,30,40+ years in prison they not only have a hard time with employment due to a record but they have great difficulty adjusting to free life. Imagine how it would be if you suddenly found yourself in 2040 and all the changes that have occured. Most of your friends and family would be scattered or dead. Jobs would be completely different, society overall would be much different. You would be lost in life. There are many cases of freed men commiting a crime right away so they will be sent back to prison, the only life they know. I suppose free life is as frightening to them as prison life would be to you or I.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I agree, if you havent reformed in 15 years the chances are your not going to but then we are back to knowing who has truely reformed and those that havent.

    Lets also not forget that for many people that spend 20,30,40+ years in prison they not only have a hard time with employment due to a record but they have great difficulty adjusting to free life. Imagine how it would be if you suddenly found yourself in 2040 and all the changes that have occured. Most of your friends and family would be scattered or dead. Jobs would be completely different, society overall would be much different. You would be lost in life. There are many cases of freed men commiting a crime right away so they will be sent back to prison, the only life they know. I suppose free life is as frightening to them as prison life would be to you or I.
    The solution to that, I would think, is methods of keeping them in touch and aware of the outside world. Such would serve the additional purpose of letting them know what they are missing.
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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    Bingo ! there isn't.
    It was a conditional statement. If the intention is for the convicted to be released into society as free citizens, with the full restoration of their rights and privileges, then it makes perfect sense to spend reasonable sums of money on programs intended to correct their behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    so like the third time you get caught smoking weed - you get the chair ?
    If, after the first two times, you are required to participate in and complete a mandatory substance abuse rehabilitation program? Yes. By repeatedly returning to illegal behavior after getting caught and after being informed of the consequences, you have indicated that you have no regard for the laws of civilized society and that you have no intention of abiding by them. If you think that is unreasonable and harsh, perhaps you should reconsider whether or not "smoking weed" should be a criminal offense in the first place.

    Everything the government does, it does with the barrel of a gun. We engage in a lot of foolish and wasteful behaviors trying to convince ourselves otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    if a person keeps getting tickets perhaps first you should revoke his/hers driver's license - not kill the person.
    Certainly. But what do you do when they continue driving without a license, and continue committing the same offense for which their license was suspended? Do you wait until they've actually killed someone before you force them to stop, or do you make it clear that they will obey the law if they intend to continue drawing breath?

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