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  • Involuntary Manslaughter.

    12 60.00%
  • Rape.

    3 15.00%
  • Burglary.

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  • General theft.

    15 75.00%
  • Kidnapping.

    5 25.00%
  • Keep laws as they are now.

    5 25.00%
  • They should never be forgiven at all.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    When it comes to felonies and felons, it's very hard to get a second chance, otherwise your right.
    Hey, I'm all for giving just about any criminal a second chance not to be a total **** up his whole life. However, after they've blown it for the third, or fourth time, it's obvious that they'll never conform to societal norms and should be exterminated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I believe in giving people a second chance. I see a problem when they get a third, fourth and fifth chance and still manage to **** it up.
    Absolutely. As much as I push for "forgiveness" and restoration of rights for ex-convicts, I am in 100% support of "three strikes" laws. My only complaint is that the third strike is mandatory life-without-parole, when I am completely morally opposed to the practice of life-without-parole. The penalty for the third strike should be death.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Absolutely. As much as I push for "forgiveness" and restoration of rights for ex-convicts, I am in 100% support of "three strikes" laws. My only complaint is that the third strike is mandatory life-without-parole, when I am completely morally opposed to the practice of life-without-parole. The penalty for the third strike should be death.
    I agree 100%
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe it is to broad of a question. There are criminals that have commited the worst of crimes that are truely remorseful and changed men/women. Some of these could be released and never commit another crime and be productive to society their entire lives. There are many that never change and would continue their behaviour.

    The difficulty is knowing which a criminal might be. We will leave reformed criminals in prison to serve the rest of their lives in prison at the same time we release those that havent changed. I do not believe there is a solution that would be fair to all.
    Which is why I added in the 15 year period. I would think that anyone that can live those 15 years without reverting has truely changed for the simple fact that it is so hard to get a job that will support you and where applicable your family when you have a felony record. I believe that it is because of that that the recidivism rate is so high.
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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    One of the issues I have with the way we do things is best summed up thus:

    I was on duty in court. A bail hearing was in progress. The perp in question had been arrested for some felony (burglary, I think) about six months prior, and had gotten out on bail.

    He had then been arrested for assault, and gotten out on bail.
    ...then arrested for carjacking, and got out on bail...
    ...then for assault with a deadly weapon, and got out on bail...
    ...then for petty larceny, and got out on bail...
    ...then for attempted murder, and got out on bail...
    ...then most recently for something else, I forget what...

    AND HIS ATTORNEY WAS TRYING TO CONVINCE THE JUDGE NOT TO DENY HIM BOND!!!

    He had not yet been tried for the first crime and was now on his SEVENTH bond hearing for his SIXTH offense SINCE the first one that he hadn't been tried for yet.

    This is just wrong. People who prove themselves a threat to society in such a decisive fashion need to be locked up and not allowed out to do more harm.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Committing another crime while out on bond awaiting trial should be instant death penalty-- if you can't control yourself for a couple of months when you are already in serious trouble, there's little point in trying to rehabilitate you.

    Especially if the other crime is similar to the first.

    I can't help but think of that woman who caused an accident with multiple fatalities while texting on her cell phone-- after several tickets and while waiting for a court appearance.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This idea was pulled from the poll about Vick and the Eagles. But is meant to be more in general.

    Should people that have committed a felony crime be forgiven with full rights restored and record expunged and sealed once a certain amount of time has passed since their conviction?

    Now I realize that this would naturally depend on what type of crime they committed. So what I am going to do is have a multiple choice poll. I want you to vote for the ones that you think should be forgiven after a certain amount of time. I'll say 15 years after their debt to society has been paid. This poll will assume that the person has committed no other crime in that 15 year period and has been fully reformed.
    For non-violent crimes: Rights restored, sure, record expunged, never.

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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    For non-violent crimes: Rights restored, sure, record expunged, never.
    Why? It is because of records that people that have served their time and have reformed cannot get a good decent paying job. It is often that hardship that brings people back to a life of crime.
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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Committing another crime while out on bond awaiting trial should be instant death penalty-- if you can't control yourself for a couple of months when you are already in serious trouble, there's little point in trying to rehabilitate you..
    I was thinking of forced labor or some such, to avoid the death penalty. But enforcing such would be difficult, I would think.

    However, I see potential for misuse of a "mess up too much and we kill you" law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Especially if the other crime is similar to the first.

    I can't help but think of that woman who caused an accident with multiple fatalities while texting on her cell phone-- after several tickets and while waiting for a court appearance.
    I would think removal of driverís license and the like would assist in this. Although it would seem that, if someone was dumb enough, they would just keep driving anyway.

    In the case of texting, perhaps an adaptation of the breath testing device some persons with drunk driving convictions get? A device that blocks cell-phone text messages in a car-wide area?
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    Re: Should people be given a second chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why? It is because of records that people that have served their time and have reformed cannot get a good decent paying job. It is often that hardship that brings people back to a life of crime.
    The places that bother to run a criminal background need to know if you have in fact committed crimes.

    Crime has lasting consequences, so obey the law.

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