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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I don't need to read your book.
    Well that just says it all right there...

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well that just says it all right there...
    Are you here to debate or to entertain us with your "witty" observations?

    It doesn't matter if it's a tool the government likes or not. It's not the point. The People are in charge, not the government. The government can like something all it wants; but if it does disservice to the People, particularly in our ability to constrain and control the government, then it is wrong. The sins of the past do not excuse the sins of the present. Try to understand what that means in its entirety.
    It doesn't mean anything because it doesn't address anything real. It's idealism. If anything represents a substantial risk to the ability of the people to constrain and control government, it is the people themselves.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 08-25-09 at 05:14 PM.

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Are you here to debate or to entertain us with your "witty" observations?
    Depends on the day.

    Get over it.

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Depends on the day.

    Get over it.
    Debate or quit trolling.

    That's your assumption. It's probably easiest for you to take that route than to try to combat the points made or consider that those might be my rational and well thought out opinions. I think that maybe the problem lies not with my disgust of FDR but maybe on your side because you can't seem to think that such disgust could come rationally and being unable to deal with it you'd rather make assumptions about my character to provide yourself an easy dismiss of my arguments. So be it. Your choice. I don't care what you believe, I provided sources you may investigate them if you wish. Otherwise, do whatever you want. If you must assume incorrect things then that's your problem. If you can't be honest or engage in debate and must invent deflections, that's your problem. I don't care. Anyone can look up sources, read the book or the other sources listed there themselves.

    But in the end, it appears more to me that you took offense to someone having such an opinion about FDR and now your grappling to come up with some way to explain such opinion and in doing so have made assumptions which are wrong, but you like because it fits into your preconceived notions. Again, those are your problems.
    ... nice attempt at reversal, but I haven't forwarded an opinion about FDR, so you have no grounds for that opinion.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 08-25-09 at 05:18 PM.

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Debate or quit trolling.
    I haven't trolled. Yet.

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It doesn't mean anything because it doesn't address anything real. It's idealism. If anything represents a substantial risk to the ability of the people to constrain and control government, it is the people themselves.
    Quite the fascist statement there. The government isn't going to constrain and control itself, so obviously your statement is false and built upon a pretext of people on the whole being unable to properly constrain and restrict government to its proper roles. It's simply untrue, the situation can specifically exist but it's not innate to the system at all. And seeing how government will not constrain and control itself, the People are the only way by which it can be done.

    Again, building on preconceived notions here. The thought that the government knows best and we should accept it as people in general are unable to constrain and control the government is rather absurd. The People are the source of all power for a government and hence are the true sovereigns. Thus it is for the people and by the people that the government must govern by. Again, sins of the past do not excuse the sins of the present.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... nice attempt at reversal, but I haven't forwarded an opinion about FDR, so you have no grounds for that opinion.
    nice deflect and dodge.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I haven't trolled. Yet.
    In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community
    A chopped analysis of one the string of sentences that constitute my post doesn't relate to the topic and is intended to incite a reaction out of --aka, inflame -- me. You're definitely trolling.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 08-25-09 at 05:23 PM.

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    nice deflect and dodge.
    I have no clear idea of what you are talking about. I'm not dodging anything. You haven't done anything except express a sentiment and an unsupported, highly reduced account of FDR's presidency. I can't dodge things which don't exist.

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    A chopped analysis of one the string of sentences that constitute my post doesn't relate to the topic and is intended to incite a reaction out of --aka, inflame -- me.
    Oh well. I saw it as a concisely poignant "excuse" for the rest of your argument.

    But do carry on...

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