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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Even if this administration was good, how could you even ask if its the best ever? The Roosevelt administration was the greatest ever, not this one.
    Which one? Teddy was alright, but FDR is one of the most treasonous Presidents in our history.
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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    Do you think the Obama administration is the greatest ever?

    I personally feel that Obama, Pelosi and Harry Reid are the greatest examples of leadership our country and maybe the world has seen and would really appreciate it if we could just all adhere to their superior intellect especially Obama as he is a Harvard graduate after all and knows what he is talking about when it comes to health care. You may not see it yet, but he has our best interests at heart and is just misunderstood...Thank you
    very funny, chum.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which one? Teddy was alright, but FDR is one of the most treasonous Presidents in our history.
    In what manner was FDR treasonous?

    Franklin Roosevelt's progressive lean had positive influence on the United States. In that manner, he was a great president in my opinion. He lifted us from the great depression with the government programs. Not to say that WWII had nothing to do with our economic prowess. In any manner, he did a good job!
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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    In what manner was FDR treasonous?

    Franklin Roosevelt's progressive lean had positive influence on the United States. In that manner, he was a great president in my opinion. He lifted us from the great depression with the government programs. Not to say that WWII had nothing to do with our economic prowess. In any manner, he did a good job!
    Yeah, that's what they want you to believe.
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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanitas View Post
    In what manner was FDR treasonous?

    Franklin Roosevelt's progressive lean had positive influence on the United States. In that manner, he was a great president in my opinion. He lifted us from the great depression with the government programs. Not to say that WWII had nothing to do with our economic prowess. In any manner, he did a good job!
    He did the most to kill the Constitution. He blackmailed the SCOTUS to pass his programs, he put us under a State of Emergency in 1933 which gave power to over 100 new government laws and agencies which has never officially been canceled. Towards which, Congressmen Beck said:

    I think of all the damnable heresies that have ever been suggested in connection with the Constitution, the doctrine of emergency is the worst. It means that when Congress declares an emergency, there is no Constitution. This means its death. It is the very doctrine that the German Chancellor is invoking today in the dying hours of the parliamentary body of the German republic, namely that because of an emergency, it should grant to the German chancellor absolute power to pass any law, even though the law contradicts the Constitution of the German Republic.

    Chancellor Hitler is at least frank about it. We pay the Constitution lip service, but the result is the same....the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribound, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes a law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its Constitutional powers.
    This started in FDR's regime with the State of Emergency he put us under using an Executive Order and of which has never been revoked. He was one of the most prolific and liberal users of the Executive Order to legislate from the Executive branch. He ignored Hoover as he pleaded with FDR to talk to the Congress to help get things passed before banks failed (it was in the very last part of Hoover's term when the banks were fast failing and he was dealing with a hostile Democratic Congress. FDR could have preempted some of the failings by trying to get Congress involved before hand). He played to socialism in the worst way ever experienced by America at the time.

    The Roosevelt Myth is a great book for everyone to read. It shows FDR in clear light for his policies and dealing with the government and military without the rose colored glasses everyone seems to use while thinking of his administration. One of the most treasonous Presidents ever.
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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    One of the most treasonous Presidents ever.
    I'll trust that you developed that opinion out of a holistic consideration of history and not just a hyper-partisan re-envisionment.

    ... I'm not really going to trust that though.

    I don't know to what extent FDR was underhanded, but underhandedness has been a staple part of the political process since the dawn of time.
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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I'll trust that you developed that opinion out of a holistic consideration of history and not just a hyper-partisan re-envisionment.

    ... I'm not really going to trust that though.

    I don't know to what extent FDR was underhanded, but underhandedness has been a staple part of the political process since the dawn of time.
    I don't care what you "trust". My opinion of FDR is shaped by his actions, policies, and conduct during his administration. I gave a book to read, if you're not just a hyper-partisan revisionist, you may consider reading it.

    And just because people in the past have done bad things while in office doesn't mean that it's ok to do bad things while in office. The sins of the past do not forgive the sins of the present.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    1. To early to tell
    2. Most likely he will lose the congress because of his actions
    3. he will be very lucky if he wins a second term.


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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    I don't care what you "trust". My opinion of FDR is shaped by his actions, policies, and conduct during his administration. I gave a book to read, if you're not just a hyper-partisan revisionist, you may consider reading it.
    I don't need to read your book. I'm already familiar with the more controversial policies of FDR and the variety of opinions people espouse toward them. It can't contribute to my understanding. However, since you are coming at this so strong, I am predisposed to believe your understanding is not holistic.

    And just because people in the past have done bad things while in office doesn't mean that it's ok to do bad things while in office. The sins of the past do not forgive the sins of the present.
    What the hell? Underhandedness occurs because it is a useful tool when dealing with the general public and political rivals who are out of the know on a given issue. Politicians who abstain from underhandedness out of moral considerations wouldn't be recognized for their efforts any more than people who engage in underhandedness are recognized for theirs. That's also why they don't exist; because a politician who doesn't exercise some degree of underhandedness cannot maintain their power base while in opposition against those of less lofty moral dispositions. There is simply no benefit to being virtuous in politics; so far as virtue goes, fabricating its existence in your person is much easier than actually developing the psychologically and physically exhausting character qualities necessary to possess it.

    And virtue really doesn't go very far. If we assumed Obama, for example, was five times more virtuous than even his most glowing proponents claim, then the 'virtue' would simply become a symbol of derision amongst his opposition, whose preexisting interests, priorities, and political frustrations would hardly be disarmed just because their rival was virtuous. That is, if they simply didn't obscure the president's virtue so that the public would not be capable of processing it, which would be just as easy. In fact, they could do both. Hence, as far as enhancing his electoral prospects go, Obama's virtue would be completely worthless from the very beginning; the people who like him would like it and the people who don't like him wouldn't like it or wouldn't recognize it.
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    Re: Obama administration greatest ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I don't need to read your book. I'm already familiar with the more controversial policies of FDR and the variety of opinions people espouse toward them. It can't contribute to my understanding. However, since you are coming at this so strong, I am predisposed to believe your understanding is not holistic.
    That's your assumption. It's probably easiest for you to take that route than to try to combat the points made or consider that those might be my rational and well thought out opinions. I think that maybe the problem lies not with my disgust of FDR but maybe on your side because you can't seem to think that such disgust could come rationally and being unable to deal with it you'd rather make assumptions about my character to provide yourself an easy dismiss of my arguments. So be it. Your choice. I don't care what you believe, I provided sources you may investigate them if you wish. Otherwise, do whatever you want. If you must assume incorrect things then that's your problem. If you can't be honest or engage in debate and must invent deflections, that's your problem. I don't care. Anyone can look up sources, read the book or the other sources listed there themselves.

    But in the end, it appears more to me that you took offense to someone having such an opinion about FDR and now your grappling to come up with some way to explain such opinion and in doing so have made assumptions which are wrong, but you like because it fits into your preconceived notions. Again, those are your problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    What the hell? Underhandedness occurs because it is a useful tool when dealing with the general public and political rivals who are out of the know on a given issue. Politicians who abstain from underhandedness out of moral considerations wouldn't be recognized for their efforts any more than people who engage in underhandedness. That's also why they don't exist; because a politician who doesn't exercise some degree of underhandedness cannot maintain their power base while in opposition against those of less lofty moral dispositions. There is simply no benefit to being virtuous in politics; so far as virtue goes, fabricating its existence in your person is much easier than actually developing the psychologically and physically exhausting character qualities necessary to possess it.

    And virtue really doesn't go very far. If we assumed Obama, for example, was five times more virtuous than even his most glowing proponents claim, then the 'virtue' would simply become a symbol of derision amongst his opposition, whose preexisting interests, priorities, and political frustrations would hardly be disarmed just because their rival was virtuous. That is, if they simply didn't obscure the president's virtue so that the public would not be capable of processing it.
    It doesn't matter if it's a tool the government likes or not. It's not the point. The People are in charge, not the government. The government can like something all it wants; but if it does disservice to the People, particularly in our ability to constrain and control the government, then it is wrong. The sins of the past do not excuse the sins of the present. Try to understand what that means in its entirety.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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