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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    this guy in another thread said that instead of developing alternative energy technologies we should lower speed limits to reduce our energy use.

    ?
    The point made was not to stop developing alternatives, which are in the future, but to make use of existing methods and technology to conserve what it is we want alternatives for...

    We "parallel path" our efforts. Stop wasting the energy sources we have while at the same time look for TRUE ALTERNATIVES....
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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    i have come to the conclusion that most people are not conscious most of the time.

    every day i feel less and less motivated to argue with people because i see that they are ultimately not capable of understanding anything.

    question is - should i feel sorry for or try to help people who as far as i am concerned do not intellectually exist ?

    i mean if you are attacked by a rabid dog - do you feel sorry for the dog ? do you argue with it ? or do you shoot it ?

    i mean there is a dfiference between makign a mistake, being incapacitated by drugs and/or alcohol and simply not having a brain.

    if you make a mistake i feel sorry for you. if you are drunk maybe ill catch up with you when you're in better shape. but if if you are just physically incapable of understanding ANYTHING, EVER, AT ALL ... how am i supposed to feel about a person like that ? this is most people mind you.
    I think you make a good point here, NEUROSPORT. I'd shoot the dog.

    *BANG* you're dead.

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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    I do not believe I have ever met a person who was not sentient. Of course, that does not prevent me from feeling sorry for those whose ability to communicate via the written word is extremely marginal at best.
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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I do not believe I have ever met a person who was not sentient. Of course, that does not prevent me from feeling sorry for those whose ability to communicate via the written word is extremely marginal at best.
    Judging by the first post and from other debates I have observed NEUROSPORT in, I believe he tends to regard anyone who disagrees with him as non-sentient or at least stupid and/or willfully ignorant. His opinions, apparently, are the only rational conclusions that any self-aware and thinking being can reach using logical reasoning.

    I am not normally inclined to pity, except for my own vice of self-pity which I have not yet broken, but I hate to see people going around feeling miserable and put upon by the world when the world itself is exactly as it should be.

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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's not the first time I have heard that from a member...just sayin'.
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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Well, I had to answer "no" to the poll question.

    The only possible answer to the question "should you feel sorry for somebody who doesn't exist?" is "no".
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    Regarding the discussion about disliking stupidity.

    I think far fewer people than you might think are actually stupid.

    But the huge majority simply do not take the time to think through something before they spout words. I myself have this problem, and on occasion come across as a total moron to those around me.

    Which is one reason I like typing out my thoughts, as in this post.

    I usually read over my post before posting it, and thus catch any idiotic statements I may have made.

    I personally think that the majority of the people in this world would not come across as stupid if they didn't have either a lack of information or a lack of desire to access information and think about it.
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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I have argued briefly with the OP writer about the speed limit. It became clear that he is not in the least bid educated on energy issues, much like too many of our politicians.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/altern...parison-2.html

    He starts at post 12, and clearly he does not understand technology related to energy issues, but he wants a say anyway.
    right. i only studied physics since 5th grade in USSR and only have two engineering degrees. what do i know about technology.

    i never said that lowering the speed limit would not reduce energy demands. it's not my problem that you can't understand what i am saying.

    you used an example of a car designed before the oil crisis of the 70s to make it seem as if my statement was wrong. instead you could have tried to simply understand my point.

    after the oil crisis of the 70s fuel economy improved mostly because we simpy dropped our standards and started driving small, sh1tty cars with no power. then in the 90s cars started getting bigger and faster again. many cars like Camry and Accord have almolst doubled their power and gained hundreds of pounds of weight. Some cars like Infinity G sedan have more than doubled their power going from 140hp to more than 330hp. That power didn't come for free. I drove a 2009 G37x around brooklyn for a weekend and it went through an entire tank of premium gas in that time. By contrast in my father's 1995 Chrysler LHS ( the biggest Chrysler and one of the biggest sedans made in those times ) i was able to get all the way to Toronto, Canada on a single tank of gas back in the day.

    Of the people i know including myself and my parents the ones who drive brand new cars get fuel economy that is MUCH WORSE than ones who drive cars that are 10 years old. Yes these new cars are twice as powerful and much bigger - but that is preciesely the point.

    i know how virtually every single gas saving technology works. but fact of the matter is there isn't a single car out there right now that can deliver the driving experience i am after that is fuel efficient. Tesla roadster would be an exception but since i live in a city i have nowhere to plug it in.

    all the hybrids today are either slow ( civic, prius, camry ) or not very fuel efficient ( GS450h, LS600h ).

    turbodiesel technology that has been around since forever delivers fuel economy comparable to that of hybrids. if you want to save gas you still have to drive a small sh1tty car just like you did in the 80s.

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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I have argued briefly with the OP writer about the speed limit. It became clear that he is not in the least bid educated on energy issues, much like too many of our politicians.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/altern...parison-2.html

    He starts at post 12, and clearly he does not understand technology related to energy issues, but he wants a say anyway.
    i just love how you jump to the conclusion that i don't know what i am talking about simply because you don't understand what i am saying.

    its typical you now, of people like you.

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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The point made was not to stop developing alternatives, which are in the future, but to make use of existing methods and technology to conserve what it is we want alternatives for...

    We "parallel path" our efforts. Stop wasting the energy sources we have while at the same time look for TRUE ALTERNATIVES....
    no the point was that you don't even understand that YOU don't have any right to tell ME how to drive.

    you can drive YOUR car at 10 mph if you want.

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    Re: do being that are not sentient deserve moral treatment ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Judging by the first post and from other debates I have observed NEUROSPORT in, I believe he tends to regard anyone who disagrees with him as non-sentient or at least stupid and/or willfully ignorant. His opinions, apparently, are the only rational conclusions that any self-aware and thinking being can reach using logical reasoning.
    only if i can trace the other person's logic.

    in other words if i know how the other person came to a particular conclusion i can deem with 100% certainty that he is wrong.

    if a person is saying something that seems absurd but i don't know how he came up with that idea i will ask him to explain his reasoning to me.

    for example what Agnapostate is saying seems absurd to me, but i don't know how he comes up with that nonsense so i keep asking him about it.

    on the other hand 95% of all views held by people i know exactly where they come from - the media.

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