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Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    Votes: 25 35.7%

  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    Votes: 36 51.4%

  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    Votes: 16 22.9%

  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    Votes: 7 10.0%

  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    Votes: 12 17.1%
  • Total voters
    70
Devil505 said:
Not real??

Here are 3 incidences (2 involving cops having their gun taken away) that a 5 minute Google search found.
FBI would have statistics but it is not rare at all.
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#1 no one is talking about police officers.
#2 The FBI has no statistics on it because it is so rare.
#3 Your last story is about the holdup man getting his gun taken away by the shop owner in a robbery attempt. :roll: :lol:

Police: Man Shot With Own Gun During Attempted Robbery - Pittsburgh News Story - WTAE Pittsburgh
 
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Blackdog said:
#1 no one is talking about police officers.
#2 The FBI has no statistics on it because it is so rare.
#3 Your last story is about the holdup man getting his gun taken away by the shop owner in a robbery attempt. :roll: :lol:
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1. If a cop can lose his gun, how much easier would it be to take one from a teacher?
2. How do you know that?
3. Oops! (I read it quickly...but the point is these things happen)
 
Devil505 said:
1. If a cop can lose his gun, how much easier would it be to take one from a teacher?
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A cop is put into dangerous situations with criminals on a daily basis. A teacher is not.

Devil505 said:
2. How do you know that?
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#1 Because I was an LEO.
#2 The FBI has a web site with it's statistics listed: Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports :roll:

Devil505 said:
3. Oops! (I read it quickly...but the point is these things happen)
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Go figure. They happen to the criminals. Thanks for your supporting evidence.
 
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repeter said:
The idea that anyone can buy a gun, anytime is a sad, sad prospect. For example, if someone hates you, and is a in a mental institute, he can get a gun, shoot and kill you, and he'll just go back to the crazy place. That concept, that anyone, including crazies and convicts can buy guns is a horrid concept. That is what you people want when you say no regulation. You'll only care about that when a convict shoots up a bus of people with an M-16, and one of your family members is dead.
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Ok, so how do we keep said certifiably insane whacko from obtaining a knife, sword, poison, incendiary device, etc. and using it against their perceived/real enemy? Frankly, I'd rather be taken out quickly with a bullet to the head than be poked full of holes like swiss cheese. Better yet, I'd rather take said whack job out myself with a clean center mass shot than fight him in hopes of landing one lucky puncture wound. But that's just me. Imo, the only time someone's access to firearms should be restricted is if/when they pose an imminent danger to themselves or others, though I realize such cannot always be ascertained prior to the occurrence of a tragic event.
 
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Blackdog said:
A cop is put into dangerous situations with criminals. A teacher is not.
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Check inner city teacher assaults & tell me many teachers are not in dangerous situations every day. Ad a gun in the mix & it's an RX for disaster,imo.



Blackdog said:
#1 Because I was an LEO.
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So was I .

Blackdog said:
#2 The FBI has a web site with it's statistics listed: Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports :roll:Go figure.
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I know the FBI has plenty of stats they don't post on their web site.
 
hiswoman said:


Ok, so how do we keep said certifiably insane whacko from obtaining a knife, sword, poison, incendiary device, etc. and using it against their perceived/real enemy? Frankly, I'd rather be taken out quickly with a bullet to the head than be poked full of holes like swiss cheese. Better yet, I'd rather take said whack job out myself with a clean center mass shot than fight him in hopes of landing one lucky puncture wound. But that's just me.
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This is the same silly argument the even NRA has given up on. How many kids do you think would have been killed at Columbine HS if the killers were armed with knives??

If you are going to try to deny that firearms are more lethal to groups of innocent people than knives, swords, etc......You are going to lose that argument.
 
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Devil505 said:
Check inner city teacher assaults & tell me many teachers are not in dangerous situations every day. Ad a gun in the mix & it's an RX for disaster,imo.
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Speculation at best.

Please post some evidence that inner city school teachers are assaulted on a daily bases.

Growing up on Chicago's South side, I know it is not a common occurrence, although more likely.

Devil505 said:
So was I .
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I seriously doubt it considering the level of common sense you display.

Devil505 said:
I know the FBI has plenty of stats they don't post on their web site.
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You said:
"FBI would have statistics but it is not rare at all. - Devil505

Then I show they do have the stats available and you still got nothing.

You have no credibility here. Why do you even bother?
 
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Blackdog said:
Speculation at best.

Please post some evidence that inner city school teachers are assaulted on a daily bases.
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I don't have time to Google it right now but anyone can easily do a net search. Are you really trying to deny that teachers are often assaulted in school? (my oldest daughter is a middle school teacher & she could tell you stories about the dangers faced by teachers all the time. .......& this is not an inner city school.





Blackdog said:
I seriously doubt it considering the level of common sense you display.
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Unnecessary personal attack. Believe what you want.



Blackdog said:
You said:
"FBI would have statistics but it is not rare at all. - Devil505

Then I show they do have the stats available and you still got nothing.

You have no credibility here. Why do you even bother?
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I'm not going to be drawn of into the weeds here. If you are going to deny the potential danger of a barely trained (armed) teacher have her gun taken away by a student, then that is your opinion & it is just a silly one, imo.
 
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Blackdog said:
You have no credibility here. Why do you even bother?
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& why do you feel the need to make personal attacks to get your point across?
To me, resorting to childish personal attacks is the surest sign that a debater KNOWS he/she has a weak argument.
 
Devil505 said:
I don't have time to Google it right now but anyone can easily do a net search. Are you really trying to deny that teachers are often assaulted in school?
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Same old dance from you. Read what I said.

Devil505 said:
Unnecessary personal attack. Believe what you want.
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I will, thanks.

Devil505 said:
I'm not going to be drawn of into the weeds here. If you are going to deny the potential danger of a barely trained (armed) teacher have her gun taken away by a student, then that is your opinion & it is just a silly one, imo.
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Same old same old.

I have no real opinion on it either way. This is not the first time you confuse posters, you do it often.

Run and dodge. You think you are good at it but we can see you for what you are. :2wave:
 
Blackdog said:
Same old dance from you. Read what I said.



I will, thanks.



Same old same old.

I have no real opinion on it either way. This is not the first time you confuse posters, you do it often.

Run and dodge. You think you are good at it but we can see you for what you are. :2wave:
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This conversation is over.
 
Devil505 said:
& why do you feel the need to make personal attacks to get your point across?
To me, resorting to childish personal attacks is the surest sign that a debater KNOWS he/she has a weak argument.
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Because you don't put forth a well reasoned argument. You spout opinion with no facts and then lie. You try to obfuscate when shown in error and leave a trail of excrement in the process much like your comment above.

Your posts have no meat.

Now are you going to post evidence to back up your views or just keep offering useless opinion?
 
Devil505 said:
This is the same silly argument the even NRA has given up on. How many kids do you think would have been killed at Columbine HS if the killers were armed with knives??

If you are going to try to deny that firearms are more lethal to groups of innocent people than knives, swords, etc......You are going to lose that argument.
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Perhaps the two little crazies would not have been able to kill as many people had a few teachers been carrying a concealed weapon or if a few armed security guards had gone after them. My argument stands, regardless, since the right to bear arms is stated in the Constitution. You, however, are welcome to your own opinion. :)
 
Blackdog said:
Because you don't put forth a well reasoned argument. You spout opinion with no facts and then lie. You try to obfuscate when shown in error and leave a trail of excrement in the process much like your comment above.

Your posts have no meat.

Now are you going to post evidence to back up your views or just keep offering useless opinion?
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Keep vomiting your hate & BS......I will no longer even be able to see your posts as they are meaningless, childish tantrums.:2wave:
 
Devil505 said:
Keep vomiting your hate & BS......I will no longer even be able to see your posts as they are meaningless, childish tantrums.:2wave:
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You asked...

"& why do you feel the need to make personal attacks to get your point across?" - Devil505

And because I answered your question I am spewing hate and throwing a tantrum? :shock:

Ok you have a good day now. :lol:
 
hiswoman said:
Perhaps the two little crazies would not have been able to kill as many people had a few teachers been carrying a concealed weapon or if a few armed security guards had gone after them.
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Or if their parents had been paying enough attention to notice that they had been building pipe bombs in their bedrooms. People really seem to overlook that the most disturbing aspects of the case would be the fact that a number of young men have had the motive to commit these kinds of crimes; the fact that they've had the means is really a minor point in comparison.
 
Blackdog said:
Because you don't put forth a well reasoned argument. You spout opinion with no facts and then lie. You try to obfuscate when shown in error and leave a trail of excrement in the process much like your comment above.

Your posts have no meat.

Now are you going to post evidence to back up your views or just keep offering useless opinion?
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don't bother, this is what he does. :shrug:
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Or if their parents had been paying enough attention to notice that they had been building pipe bombs in their bedrooms. People really seem to overlook that the most disturbing aspects of the case would be the fact that a number of young men have had the motive to commit these kinds of crimes; the fact that they've had the means is really a minor point in comparison.
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Yes, definitely. Lackadaisical parenting and guns do not mix. I've always been of the mindset that children have limited rights to privacy, ultimately. If I, as a parent, am responsible for the actions of my children until they grow up, and as long as they're living in my house, you're damn right I have the authority to snoop through their belongings, and I've made that point very clear to all of my kids. I remember telling my oldest daughter in her early teens that if I ever have reason to think she's up to no good, I will unashamedly dig through everything she owns, including her diary, to get to the bottom of the situation.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Or if their parents had been paying enough attention to notice that they had been building pipe bombs in their bedrooms. People really seem to overlook that the most disturbing aspects of the case would be the fact that a number of young men have had the motive to commit these kinds of crimes; the fact that they've had the means is really a minor point in comparison.
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I would argue that we, as a society have more chance of regulating very dangerous firearms than we do of ensuring that all parents will be responsible.
 
Devil505 said:
I would argue that we, as a society have more chance of regulating very dangerous firearms than we do of ensuring that all parents will be responsible.
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The difference is, one of these things is morally inexcusable and the first step to creating a nation of weaklings and slaves-- a lesson we should have learned when our ancestors were disarming and exploiting other nations instead of attempting to do so to their own.
 
repeter said:
The idea that anyone can buy a gun, anytime is a sad, sad prospect. For example, if someone hates you, and is a in a mental institute, he can get a gun, shoot and kill you, and he'll just go back to the crazy place. That concept, that anyone, including crazies and convicts can buy guns is a horrid concept. That is what you people want when you say no regulation. You'll only care about that when a convict shoots up a bus of people with an M-16, and one of your family members is dead.
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Maybe...and seeing how that scenario is extremely unlikely I guess I ain't ever gonna care. Jesus, is this how we make national policy now, especially law against our rights? I put up with Bush doing it for so long. Let's make unlikely hypotheticals and base laws off of those! The terrorists may come and get me, so we need to allow for domestic spying and undeclared, occupational war and nationalized ID and all the other crap that was sold to us on a small probability outcome. Thanks! Some guy from a mental institution will escape and apparently have money for a gun and buy one and run around and shoot up the place! Quick...ban guns, take away the right, turn it into a State granted privilege!

Free is not safe. It has never been safe, it is not safe, and will never be safe. There are always dangers inherent to freedom. While there are legitimate means by which probabilities can be decreased, many things will never drop to zero. There's always going to be a chance of something bad happening because we allow our rights to be exercised. Permits such as CCW and open carry are terrible, you shouldn't need them because you have the right to keep and bear arms. Meaning you can carry them. Registration is right out because there is no need for the government to keep track on what guns I have, they can keep their noses out of it. Maybe background checks if they're instantaneous. That's about the only one close to legitimate.
 
It's so funny how our negative right places so much sand in these guy's vaginas.
 
Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amendment Rights?

celticlord said:
"Shall not be infringed" == no.
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When this Second Amendment was written, today's nut cases were not around.
To me, its scary that so many think that there should be no regulations, no limitations...
Solution .....Transport all these nut cases back to the Stone Age - where they belong, along with bin Laden and the Islamic extremists.
 
Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amendment Rights?

earthworm said:
When this Second Amendment was written, today's nut cases were not around.
To me, its scary that so many think that there should be no regulations, no limitations...
Solution .....Transport all these nut cases back to the Stone Age - where they belong, along with bin Laden and the Islamic extremists.
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It's funny to see you guys comparing people who own guns to the Taliban and Bin Laden.

I see the media is doing their job.

Oh, btw, because I choose to own firearms doesn't make me a nut.. It makes me a citizen of the United States who exercises his right to bear arms.
 
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earthworm said:
When this Second Amendment was written, today's nut cases were not around.
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You fail, we were the nutcases. At least that what the left tries to portray when they make the terrorists=the FF's argument.

To me, its scary that so many think that there should be no regulations, no limitations...
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Why? Do you not have self control?

Solution .....Transport all these nut cases back to the Stone Age - where they belong, along with bin Laden and the Islamic extremists.
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Well that's not too hoplophobic.
 
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