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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    OH, here you just claim I think it :



    And here you claim logic dictates I feel a certain way:



    The problem is, Strawman Artist, its not my logic. Its your made up crap.
    So now you have completely given up trying to understand simple communication. Communicating is governed by many rules, not just the few that you seem to want to dictate to me. You apparently do not understand, and that is fine... but you should really stop telling me that I am incorrect when I am certainly not. It looks silly...
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I see that nothing changes with you, does it?
    You just can't admit it, can you?

    More proof to the fact that you communicate poorly...
    While I can understand why it makes you personally angry at me, the fact that I make a habit out of stomping your strawman attempts is not poor communication on my part, but it is starting to demonstrate your inability to learn the lesson that strawmanning me never works. I point out your made up crap, and the fact that YOU made it up, not me, and thus are you stomped.

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    I brought up the child owning a gun qustion prior to that...
    To what ? Red herring.

    It has no bearing on a discussion of whether or not to neuter the rights of a citizen convicted of a felony.

    You just wanted to dive into a nitpick about citizenship and your daughter. Well she can't vote, so she aint a citizen in MY book. She is a child. She is NOT free. If she is "FREE" then YOU are a horrible parent, as children need boundaries and rules. Would you like to focus the topic on your poor parenting now ? Or shall we drop your red herring ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Thats the whole point... you are OK with lists on a record, but not a list about those with a specific record to make things more concise... contradiction. Fail.
    I don't have a problem with the existant system of criminal records, but I do completely disagree with sex-offender lumping, the laws towns pass to harass them, and the idiot notion that the ones we really need to watch out for, will comply at all. It is a stupid redundant blanket bit of idiocy, substituting for judgement. You defend it, you are FAIL.

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    More jobs do not require a gun than those that do.
    Not your place to decide his profession, and regardless he has the right to defend himself and his home.

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    How about the Death Penalty for any felony, that way they don't get the gun like I want and they don't lose their right like you want.
    See if anyone agrees with your suggestion.

    Till then, address the neutering of the robber's suffrage and second.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You have nothing here... just a feeble emotional plea to let criminals and predators run around with guns so that they can continue to wreak havoc on society...
    Look at you. Who is emotional ? Namecalling and deriding of your fellow citizen.

    Is it not possible for your fellow citizen to make a mistake, or mend their ways ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    you advocate such a staunch all or nothing view that it is pathetically illogical.
    You mean like you suggesting the death penalty for any felony ???

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So now you have completely given up trying to understand simple communication.
    Ah, so this is the part where you start crying about me, because I exposed your falsehoods and destroyed your strawman factory ?

    Spare Us.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    While I can understand why it makes you personally angry at me, the fact that I make a habit out of stomping your strawman attempts is not poor communication on my part, but it is starting to demonstrate your inability to learn the lesson that strawmanning me never works. I point out your made up crap, and the fact that YOU made it up, not me, and thus are you stomped.



    To what ? Red herring.

    It has no bearing on a discussion of whether or not to neuter the rights of a citizen convicted of a felony.

    You just wanted to dive into a nitpick about citizenship and your daughter. Well she can't vote, so she aint a citizen in MY book. She is a child. She is NOT free. If she is "FREE" then YOU are a horrible parent, as children need boundaries and rules. Would you like to focus the topic on your poor parenting now ? Or shall we drop your red herring ?



    I don't have a problem with the existant system of criminal records, but I do completely disagree with sex-offender lumping, the laws towns pass to harass them, and the idiot notion that the ones we really need to watch out for, will comply at all. It is a stupid redundant blanket bit of idiocy, substituting for judgement. You defend it, you are FAIL.



    Not your place to decide his profession, and regardless he has the right to defend himself and his home.



    See if anyone agrees with your suggestion.

    Till then, address the neutering of the robber's suffrage and second.



    Look at you. Who is emotional ? Namecalling and deriding of your fellow citizen.

    Is it not possible for your fellow citizen to make a mistake, or mend their ways ?



    You mean like you suggesting the death penalty for any felony ???

    In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person who is born in the United States
    of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power
    whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States
    whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they are subject
    becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

    In most cases, one is a U.S. citizen if both of the following are true:

    Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth
    At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child's birth.
    INA 301(c) and INA 301(a)(3) state, "and one of whom has had a residence." The FAM (Foreign Affairs Manual) states "no amount of time specified."

    For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[5]

    One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
    The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth;
    A minimum of 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.


    United States nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It is interesting that you use your own definition of what a citizen is when you are so completey and utterly defeated, that is a classic tactic. It isn't helping you in showing how we won in Vietnam either.

    You are the one that threatened to want to personally fight me back in the day, not the other way around. Talk about delusions as to who is emotional and who isn't... Well, since you want to gutter the discussion with false accusations of being angry and being emotional, along with not understanding that a citizen of the USA is any person, of any age, that is either born in the USA or born to an American citizen, then I guess that is your way of conceding. I accept.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Ah, so this is the part where you start crying about me, because I exposed your falsehoods and destroyed your strawman factory ?

    Spare Us.
    ummm... what? You need to get off the drugs man, it is hurting you.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person who is born in the United States
    of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power
    whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States
    whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they are subject
    becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

    In most cases, one is a U.S. citizen if both of the following are true:

    Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth
    At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child's birth.
    INA 301(c) and INA 301(a)(3) state, "and one of whom has had a residence." The FAM (Foreign Affairs Manual) states "no amount of time specified."

    For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[5]

    One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
    The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth;
    A minimum of 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.


    United States nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It is interesting that you use your own definition of what a citizen is when you are so completey and utterly defeated, that is a classic tactic. It isn't helping you in showing how we won in Vietnam either.

    You are the one that threatened to want to personally fight me back in the day, not the other way around. Talk about delusions as to who is emotional and who isn't... Well, since you want to gutter the discussion with false accusations of being angry and being emotional, along with not understanding that a citizen of the USA is any person, of any age, that is either born in the USA or born to an American citizen, then I guess that is your way of conceding. I accept.
    Not wanting to get between you and Void, but I can't help but notice you are using the changable site wikipedia as a source to support your arguement. I should tell you, that my teacher is a famous biologist on that site, and helped with the discovery of Natural Selection. And my teacher is in his early 40's
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Not wanting to get between you and Void, but I can't help but notice you are using the changable site wikipedia as a source to support your arguement. I should tell you, that my teacher is a famous biologist on that site, and helped with the discovery of Natural Selection. And my teacher is in his early 40's
    I know what you are saying, but wiki is accurate and the first up. I know it is accurate since I researched citizenship before moving abroad. Here it is though, and offical from the Department of State:

    Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad

    Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required.
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

    Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(a) INA provided:

    1) a blood relationship between the applicant and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

    2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the applicant's birth;

    3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the applicant reaches the age of 18 years, and

    4) while the person is under the age of 18 years --

    A) applicant is legitimated under the law of their residence or domicile,

    B) father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

    C) the paternity of the applicant is established by adjudication court.

    Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

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    Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You are the one that threatened to want to personally fight me back in the day, not the other way around.
    Do you have quotes to prove your outlandish claims ? Or it is just more of you making crap up, as I have exposed on this very thread ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    along with not understanding that a citizen of the USA is any person, of any age, that is either born in the USA or born to an American citizen, then I guess that is your way of conceding.
    Already addressed, can she vote? no ? Red Herring.

    I know she is technically a "citizen", however she is a minor, and that is not a parallel to being a felon, so you don't really have a point in the original discussion, just an irrelevant red herring you would rather persue.

    You said your daughter is a "free citizen", so why are you such a bad parent as to let a four year old roam free ? ? ?

    You would like to nitpick your daughter into relevance, but it is just your sidestep from the discussion. If you want to talk about your daughter, we can talk about the poor parenting you are displaying by letting her roam free, and I will admit she is a citizen. You did claim she was a "free citizen" right ? So she is four, and free to stay up late, or free to eat ice cream all day ? Or were you caught in a lie I can nitpick ?

    Cease Mentioning your irrelevant daughter or we will just continue to discuss the need for CPS involvement in her boundary-free life.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    If you have the guts to get back on the topic Bodi, here it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    It is merely how it has been, and it has been an ongoing violation of our constitution. It is not logical to release a man but release him as a second class citizen with a neutered set of rights. We are supposed to have one set of equal rights for all citizens. Citizens convicted of crimes are still citizens. As such, denying them their rights, whether they be suffrage, or the right to keep and bear, or the right to buy a home for sale in an overzealous sex offender bailiwick, is unconstitutional.
    Why don't you give me one good reason to disenfranchise felons ?

    Why don't you give me one good reason not to let a man convicted of unarmed felony assault not to be allowed to possess a weapon for the defense of his business or home after his release ?

    Since you brought up sex offender monitoring, (in post #556) why don't you give me one good reason for a person convicted of sexual battery against an adult, to face a legal hassle if they want to buy a home near a school ?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    So what did you ask for ? Cases ? Precedent ?
    What is so hard for you to understand about these sentences ?
    Precedent gains you NOTHING in a normative discussion.
    I see.

    Well then, if that's yoru standard, all I need to do is this:

    -Restriticng the voting and gun rights of those that have served their time in prison do not violate the 8th amendment because it is neoither cruel nor unusual.
    -Restricting the voting and gun rights of those that have served their time in prison do not violate the 5th amendment because they are liberties that may be depreived by due process.

    There. You've been proven wrong.

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