View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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Thread: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Do we collectively (the government) have a right to regulate/control a law abiding citizen's 2nd Amendment Rights?
    We collectively ≠ the government.

    That is precisely why we have a Second Amendment to begin with.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm not the first to say it, but to add my voice to it --

    The weaponry carried by a typical infantryman should be unrestricted.
    Why would any citizen need military style weapons of war?
    What possible good can come from full auto weapons being readily available to nuts?

    I was a DEA Agent & we very rarely took anything in the field other than pump action shotguns. (that was a while ago & admittedly things have gotten more violent since then)
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    Even police are typically not faced with numbers of murderous criminals that need to be killed, other than terrorists or N. Hollywood type criminal madmen or the Miami FBI shootings, which are thankfully very rare occurrences.

    I see no societal benefit for military type weapons being easier to get by the average citizen.
    Criminals will be able to get any weapon they want. The real danger to society are the Columbine type whack jobs who are suicidal anyway & just want to kill! Imagine how many more bodies would there have been if the Columbine killers had access to fully automatic weapons?!?
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-20-09 at 08:32 PM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Rights come with responsibilities, if you cannot be responsible you should have restrictions placed on you as an individual.
    Blanket restrictions are another matter...
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Why? For all the purposes for which the 2A was framed, of course.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think the AA-12 should be completely unrestricted too...because I would really really like one.
    I agree.

    If not currently the case, I think it likely that the AA-12 will soon become a standard infantry weapon. I hope. It would seemingly be very usefull to our soldiers.

    Thus, it should be unrestricted.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Rights come with responsibilities, if you cannot be responsible you should have restrictions placed on you as an individual.
    Blanket restrictions are another matter...
    That was mighty white of you Utah!



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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Why would any citizen need military style weapons of war?
    In case the government decides to turn on the people.

    What possible good can come from full auto weapons being readily available to nuts?
    Nuts will get their hands on what ever they can regardless of what the laws.Legalizing or making full autos easier to get will ensure that more law abiding citizens than criminals will get their hands on those weapons.

    Even police are typically not faced with numbers of murderous criminals that need to be killed, other than terrorists or N. Hollywood type criminal madmen or the Miami FBI shootings, which are thankfully very rare occurrences.
    Isn't that just proof that laws banning firearms will not stop determined criminals?

    I see no societal benefit for military type weapons being easier to get by the average citizen.
    I see the benefit of the government being less likely to turn on the people and if they do turn on the people the people will have a fighting chance.

    Criminals will be able to get any weapon they want. The real danger to society are the Columbine type whack jobs who are suicidal anyway & just want to kill! Imagine how many more bodies would there have been if the Columbine killers had access to fully automatic weapons?!?
    They probably would have ran out of ammo a lot faster. Shooting in full auto makes you less accurate.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why? For all the purposes for which the 2A was framed, of course.
    When the 2A was written, the most lethal firearms were muzzle loaders with very limited lethality for killing large groups of people. That has changed a bit!

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    When the 2A was written, the most lethal firearms were muzzle loaders with very limited lethality for killing large groups of people. That has changed a bit!
    The purposes have not.

    Of course, when the 1A was written, there was no such thing as satellite broadcast and 24/7 "news" networks being able to instantly spread ideas, even "misinformation," to the whole nation at large.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The purposes have not.

    Of course, when the 1A was written, there was no such thing as satellite broadcast and 24/7 "news" networks being able to instantly spread ideas, even "misinformation," to the whole nation at large.
    You & I will obviously not change eachother's minds on this so let's just agree to disagree.

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