View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If you can prove that jail rehibilitates criminals so that they are no longer a threat and prove that the revolving door issue is untrue, thus indicating that they should be able to have fire arms that simply make it even easier for them to rape and murder again, then your statement would merit any type of reasonable response, until then though, think whatever you like buddy...
    One of the reasons of jail is supposedly rehabilitation. Regardless, incarceration is government force against the rights and liberties of the individual practiced through due process of law. It is the only legitimate way by which the government may infringe upon the rights of the individual. People are sent away to prison for X amount of time as their punishment. During this X amount of time, the government may use its force to suppress the exercise of rights by the individual. However, upon completion of the specified time, probation, etc. the full of the rights of that individual need to once again be recognized. If you want infinite punishment, you must move for life in prison. Otherwise, at some point the individual must be free to exercise their rights and liberties once again.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Once a person has shown that they are untrustworthy, committing a rape, murder or other felony, then it is literally illogical and insane to allow them legal access to fire arms...
    Agreed -- violent offenders, at best, should have to EARN back their right.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    On a side note, will Plaxico Burress be allowed to carry a gun once his punishment is over?
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Reasonable regulations are ok, but they should be mandated by each individual state. These regulations should in no way restrict the carrying or possesion of a gun for a citizen with no criminal record.


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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Reasonable regulations are ok, but they should be mandated by each individual state. These regulations should in no way restrict the carrying or possesion of a gun for a citizen with no criminal record.
    Just out of curiosity - what do -you- consider 'reasonable' restrictions?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Agreed -- violent offenders, at best, should have to EARN back their right.
    I agree with that, through any number of ways they might do this. It would be much better to see them earn their right to some things rather than just handing it to them since they did X amount of time. IMO, the penalty for a crime is not only the X amount of prison time that a person gets... the penalty can and does extend beyond prison time, such as with sexual offenders being watched and monitored.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    IMO, the penalty for a crime is not only the X amount of prison time that a person gets... the penalty can and does extend beyond prison time, such as with sexual offenders being watched and monitored.
    The fact that we currently punish citizens after release does not justify itself.

    Its just what we are doing now, and that does not add in to a discussion of whether it is the right thing to do or not.

    I disagree with the practice, completely.

    A free citizen has the right to weapons for self defense.
    This need does not go away just because the citizen did time.

    Sex offenders ? What a joke, unnecessarily hassling most, ineffectively ignored in cases where it might really matter.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    The fact that we currently punish citizens after release does not justify itself.

    Its just what we are doing now, and that does not add in to a discussion of whether it is the right thing to do or not.

    I disagree with the practice, completely.

    A free citizen has the right to weapons for self defense.
    This need does not go away just because the citizen did time.

    Sex offenders ? What a joke, unnecessarily hassling most, ineffectively ignored in cases where it might really matter.
    It absolutely justifies itself since it is another aspect of a consequence. The point is that the consequence of committing the crime has multiple aspects to it, not simply one. The point is that prison is but one aspect of the consequence, not the only aspect. Doing time in prison is the biggest and most serious aspect, but that does not negate the seriousness of any of the other aspects, of which might include loss of certain rights. I am not sure why this is not understood, but to say that, "gee, the guy did 15 years for murder already, let him have a gun now that he is out" is dismissing the rest of the consequence for murder, and that is to lose certain rights, one of which might be gun ownership... others can be voting or getting a job in a school or being monitored. This is how it is. This is logical. This is how it should be.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Just out of curiosity - what do -you- consider 'reasonable' restrictions?
    Minimum background checks, and not allowing anyone with a felony or something like that to get a gun. Somethiing like that.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It absolutely justifies itself since it is another aspect of a consequence.
    As I explained, NO , IT DOES NOT.

    IT is just how we have been doing it so far.

    Your "Consequence", is a violation of the Second Amendment, since we end up with a member of "the people" who's right to keep and bear arms is permanently infringed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Doing time in prison is the biggest and most serious aspect, but that does not negate the seriousness of any of the other aspects, of which might include loss of certain rights.
    If you can lose em, THEY ARE PRIVELEGES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    This is how it is. This is logical. This is how it should be.
    It is merely how it has been, and it has been an ongoing violation of our constitution. It is not logical to release a man but release him as a second class citizen with a neutered set of rights. We are supposed to have one set of equal rights for all citizens. Citizens convicted of crimes are still citizens. As such, denying them their rights, whether they be suffrage, or the right to keep and bear, or the right to buy a home for sale in an overzealous sex offender bailiwick, is unconstitutional.

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