View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I believe that since the 1803 SCOTUS case of Marbury v. Madison, the SCOTUS decides what the Constitution grants or doesn't grant.
    Yes but that does not mean that they always get it right. Notice that over the years they grant them more and more powers? SCOTUS has a bad habit of granting the federal government everything in the "grey" area which I believe should be left to the people.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    No.

    Precisely what "2nd Amendment Rights" are, however, is another question.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Precisely what "2nd Amendment Rights" are, however, is another question.
    I don't believe in 2nd Amendment rights. The Constitution is nothing more than a handful of man's laws-- short-lived, short-reached, and short-sighted-- while the principle that a free citizen enjoys the privilege of bearing arms in his own homeland is a timeless moral principle that extends across cultural and geopolitical borders.

    The weapons laws of Britain and Japan are no less inhuman and immoral than the weapons laws of the United States, despite the fact that they have no 2nd Amendment for their laws to violate.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    I couldn't say it much better than Korimyr has, in his several posts.


    Anything a well-equipped infantryman might be carrying, or any weapon useful for self-defense, sport, militia service, or other lawful purposes.

    Nukes, bio, chem etc are taking things to ludicrous lengths. Strategic weapons like these are used against large populations, not on the battlefield or in self-defense, sport or other common useage.

    One of the problems with this poll is one of the problems we have as a society in defining things surrounding this issue. "Reasonable regulations" means entirely different things to different people.

    I think "reasonable regulations" means no WMD's, maybe a shall-issue license for explosives and support weapons; no private arms within prisons, jails, courtrooms or similar areas where security concerns are truly overwhelmingly vital... and not much else. Places that are normally open to the public without restriction should be open to the armed citizen, ie parks, malls, restaurants, etc.

    If someone misuses a weapon negligently or criminally, by all means come down on them with the biggest hammer the law has on the books, but no prior restraint.

    BTW, with a few exceptions this is what things are like in my home state. With a shall-issue CCW permit you can carry almost anywhere other than secure or posted places. You can own machineguns if you have a Class III license. You can buy most any other firearm freely. Yet, the rate of murder in my home state would come out ahead of virtually any jurisdiction in the USA that has draconian gun control.

    As has been said, it is a right, not a privilege. You don't need a license to exercise free speech or freedom of religion.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I don't believe in 2nd Amendment rights. The Constitution is nothing more than a handful of man's laws-- short-lived, short-reached, and short-sighted-- while the principle that a free citizen enjoys the privilege of bearing arms in his own homeland is a timeless moral principle that extends across cultural and geopolitical borders.

    The weapons laws of Britain and Japan are no less inhuman and immoral than the weapons laws of the United States, despite the fact that they have no 2nd Amendment for their laws to violate.
    Very good point.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    How do we make your ideal situation become law?
    With guns!

    *coughs*

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    With guns!

    *coughs*

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Anything a well-equipped infantryman might be carrying, or any weapon useful for self-defense, sport, militia service, or other lawful purposes.

    Nukes, bio, chem etc are taking things to ludicrous lengths. Strategic weapons like these are used against large populations, not on the battlefield or in self-defense, sport or other common useage.
    I do not consider these kinds of weapons to have any legitimate or lawful purpose in the hands of governments, either-- and I would support disarmament treaties concerning these weapons in a heartbeat as long as the rest of the world knew we were just as capable of committing genocide by conventional weaponry as by nuclear or biological, even after suffering a first strike.

    The reason I oppose those weapons isn't that they can kill millions, it's that they are dirty and they ruin the land that they're used on. Scorched earth grows back, and usually grows back better; radioactive glass stays dead for a long, long time.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I couldn't say it much better than Korimyr has, in his several posts.


    Anything a well-equipped infantryman might be carrying, or any weapon useful for self-defense, sport, militia service, or other lawful purposes.

    Nukes, bio, chem etc are taking things to ludicrous lengths. Strategic weapons like these are used against large populations, not on the battlefield or in self-defense, sport or other common useage.

    One of the problems with this poll is one of the problems we have as a society in defining things surrounding this issue. "Reasonable regulations" means entirely different things to different people.

    I think "reasonable regulations" means no WMD's, maybe a shall-issue license for explosives and support weapons; no private arms within prisons, jails, courtrooms or similar areas where security concerns are truly overwhelmingly vital... and not much else. Places that are normally open to the public without restriction should be open to the armed citizen, ie parks, malls, restaurants, etc.

    If someone misuses a weapon negligently or criminally, by all means come down on them with the biggest hammer the law has on the books, but no prior restraint.

    BTW, with a few exceptions this is what things are like in my home state. With a shall-issue CCW permit you can carry almost anywhere other than secure or posted places. You can own machineguns if you have a Class III license. You can buy most any other firearm freely. Yet, the rate of murder in my home state would come out ahead of virtually any jurisdiction in the USA that has draconian gun control.

    As has been said, it is a right, not a privilege. You don't need a license to exercise free speech or freedom of religion.
    Now there is my favorite gun nut.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    My question would be... How do we make your ideal situation become law?
    I largely don't concern myself with it. It wouldn't bother me any more if the British or Japanese governments took to rounding up their citizens in slave labor camps and working them to death than it does that they are disarmed and held hostage by those same governments currently. They're not my people.

    Here, I do what I can to support those organizations which exist to preserve the rights of armed free citizens-- though I find myself damned disappointed on a regular basis by the NRA's "no new infringements" stance. I find myself preferring groups like the JPFO and the Pink Pistols that target vulnerable populations and actively promote their armament. If there were a group that campaign vigorously for the repeal of existing gun laws, instead of the enforcement of them, I would support them wholeheartedly.

    The way I see it, the best thing that people can do is to be reasonable and law-abiding and to ensure that they and their children are as well-armed and as well-trained as reason and the law allow. People who own guns and use guns don't normally support laws that will deprive them of their guns.

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