View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I would like to ask all of you saying no regulations are acceptable, what if your parents, lover, or children were shot and killed. The police find out that the perpetrator killed your loved one expressely because there was not enough regulation. Would that change your view point in this matter? Would you then support more regulation, or regulation at that?
    Once again, appeal to emotion fallacy. Once again, fail.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Institutionally insane doesn't necessarily mean criminal. He might target a school of just minorities, and believe he is cleansing the country or something. Virginia Tech is really enough said on this subject in all. He bought a gun, legally, and then illegally shot and killed quite a few people.
    Not true. The background check left out his mental illness. He should not have been able to purchase the weapon to begin with.

    In the end we can't stop everyone. This does not mean you punish the majority.

    So far your arguments consist of speculation and appeals to emotion (fallacy) with no facts to back any of it up.

    Pretty much epic fail on all fronts.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Institutionally insane doesn't necessarily mean criminal.
    Still doesn't change the fact criminals do not obey the law. If the law says its illegal for someone who is institutionally insane and that individual wishes to murder people then anti-2nd amendment laws are not going to stop him from getting his hands on a firearm.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    1. It can, and probably will be worse in the future.
    2. Look at #1

    3. If I was going to go shoot up anyone, the first people I would personally shoot up is a bunch of gun-totting idiots, and make sure I do it good. But thats just me. And you'd also want to probably take out any resistance, in a chain of hits, so kill the local NRA at a meeting, then go **** up the area.
    That'd be a funny sight to see... I imagine you'd kill maybe 1 or two before you died of terminal lead poisoning.

    Joking about it much as you have, really shows your true colors though.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I would like to ask all of you saying no regulations are acceptable, what if your parents, lover, or children were shot and killed. The police find out that the perpetrator killed your loved one expressely because there was not enough regulation. Would that change your view point in this matter? Would you then support more regulation, or regulation at that?
    omg!

    What if my mom or someone in my family were killed by a drunk driver! We need to make drinking and driving MORE illegal...

    Oh wait, I live in the state with the toughest DUI laws in the country.. and people still do it...

    Kinda blows your whole... idea of more regulation == Less crime... out of the water.

    Furthering my point, look at Washington DC, New York, and ****cago for further references as to why gun control doesn't work.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am against background checks. The government has no business imposing preconditions to rights.
    Even the NRA doesn't oppose background checks
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    They think the system could be improved but they are not against background checks, per se.

    Here is the FBI's page on NICS Federal Bureau of Investigation - NICS: The National Instant Criminal Background Check System & I can't think of a single reasonable argument against these background checks that even the NRA agrees to.

    Now.....I personally think that a 1 week time period for a background check would be reasonable (to me) but have already agreed to accept the 20-60 minute "Instant" check as mentioned b4.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Even the NRA doesn't oppose background checks
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    They think the system could be improved but they are not against background checks, per se.

    Here is the FBI's page on NICS Federal Bureau of Investigation - NICS: The National Instant Criminal Background Check System & I can't think of a single reasonable argument against these background checks that even the NRA agrees to.

    Now.....I personally think that a 1 week time period for a background check would be reasonable (to me) but have already agreed to accept the 20-60 minute "Instant" check as mentioned b4.
    Hi, the NRA isn't exactly pro-2a like they used to be.


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    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Even the NRA doesn't oppose background checks
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    They think the system could be improved but they are not against background checks, per se.

    Here is the FBI's page on NICS Federal Bureau of Investigation - NICS: The National Instant Criminal Background Check System & I can't think of a single reasonable argument against these background checks that even the NRA agrees to.

    Now.....I personally think that a 1 week time period for a background check would be reasonable (to me) but have already agreed to accept the 20-60 minute "Instant" check as mentioned b4.
    The NRA is viewed as sellouts on the second amendment, nice try though. I suppose that when you are really not a supporter of the 2nd amendment or you think that the second amendment should be abolished then you probably would see the NRA as pro-2nd amendment instead of sellouts.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Hi, the NRA isn't exactly pro-2a like they used to be.


    If you'd like an example of a real organization protecting our rights... take a look at the Jews for the Preservation of...
    My personal favorite is Gun Owners of America. They make the NRA sound like the Brady Campaign.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I would like to ask all of you saying no regulations are acceptable, what if your parents, lover, or children were shot and killed. The police find out that the perpetrator killed your loved one expressely because there was not enough regulation. Would that change your view point in this matter? Would you then support more regulation, or regulation at that?
    Didn't this type of argument already get smacked down already? What if someone buys and SUV and then loses control and runs into my house killing my grandmother and best friend? I mean, there's only so much you can get out of the appeal to emotion and probability game.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    And how will you feel when...a school full of children is massacred by some institutionally insane man, because he could get a gun anywhere, anytime???
    I know how I felt when school's full of children were massacred because an institutional insane man was able to bypass all existing gun laws and get an assault rifle anyway.

    You people who still think "gun free zones" are a good idea have no business commenting on the guy who carries to a discussion because you are doing more harm than he with your policies.

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