View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
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    16 16.84%
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Thread: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    ??????
    So which is it...Yes or No?
    Are you changing your 20 minutes is reasonable opening opinion? (if so.....how much time do you now consider reasonable.....15 seconds?.....30 seconds??.....4 minutes??...what?)
    And then you wonder why all the personal attacks.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Having fun are we?

    When you're ready to have an actual debate again, let me know.
    We are negotiating, not debating.
    We both have already agreed that a background check is reasonable to weed out felons, pedophiles, etc.

    The only question now remaining is what is a reasonable amount of time to allow the government to preform this agreed on check.
    You first said 20 minutes & I first said 1 week.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And then you wonder why all the personal attacks.
    I'm wondering why we can't stay on the subject here.

    what is a reasonable time for background checks?

    I see no need for personal attacks here.

    It's really a very simple question, at this point. (or am I detecting that you feel background checks are not reasonable at all?...If so, then time is meaningless)
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-25-09 at 06:28 PM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We are negotiating, not debating.
    We both have already agreed that a background check is reasonable to weed out felons, pedophiles, etc.

    The only question now remaining is what is a reasonable amount of time to allow the government to preform this agreed on check.
    You first said 20 minutes & I first said 1 week.

    Good grief.

    For the last time: we are not negotiating. You suggested a week. I informed you of the actual, factual amount of time it typically takes to run a NICS check, which is usually around 20 minutes. Occasionally there are technical problems and it might take slightly longer. The point is that once the NICS check is done, and it almost never takes a whole hour, there is no longer any reason for a delay for the sake of background checks...the background check is done.

    There is nothing to negotiate about because you are taking a fallacious position. If you're going to argue disingenuously, I have other things I can be doing.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I'm wondering why we can't stay on the subject here.

    what is a reasonable time for background checks?

    I see no need for personal attacks here.
    The debate is about...

    "Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?"

    But you keep going off on fallacy tangents.

    Our arguments have been presented and supported by hard data. You have presented fallacy and opinion. Now you try to say we are negotiating?

    This debate is over because you have nothing to offer to back up your opinion. That is not how a debate works.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Good grief.

    For the last time: we are not negotiating. You suggested a week. I informed you of the actual, factual amount of time it typically takes to run a NICS check, which is usually around 20 minutes. Occasionally there are technical problems and it might take slightly longer. The point is that once the NICS check is done, and it almost never takes a whole hour, there is no longer any reason for a delay for the sake of background checks...the background check is done.


    WeThere is nothing to negotiate about because you are taking a fallacious position. If you're going to argue disingenuously, I have other things I can be doing.

    I think the problem is you have boxed yourself in & don't know which way to get out.

    Let's review:

    1. We both agree that a background check is reasonable.
    2. We are now simply disagreeing on the amount of time a background check should be allowed to take.

    Where am I wrong & what is fallacious??

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I think the problem is you have boxed yourself in & don't know which way to get out.

    Let's review:

    1. We both agree that a background check is reasonable.
    2. We are now simply disagreeing on the amount of time a background check should be allowed to take.

    Where am I wrong & what is fallacious??


    A background check and a waiting period have nothing to do with each other!

    You know what, this is just to frustrating for words.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 08-25-09 at 06:35 PM.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The debate is about...

    "Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?"

    But you keep going off on fallacy tangents.

    Our arguments have been presented and supported by hard data. You have presented fallacy and opinion. Now you try to say we are negotiating?

    This debate is over because you have nothing to offer to back up your opinion. That is not how a debate works.

    No...The debate is now much simpler than that:

    We have already agreed that a background check is reasonable....

    So...


    How much time is reasonable for a background check??


    Will you answer that question?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No...The debate is now much simpler than that:

    We have already agreed that a background check is reasonable....

    So...


    How much time is reasonable for a background check??


    Will you answer that question?
    30 minutes tops.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I think the problem is you have boxed yourself in & don't know which way to get out.

    Let's review:

    1. We both agree that a background check is reasonable.
    2. We are now simply disagreeing on the amount of time a background check should be allowed to take.

    Where am I wrong & what is fallacious??
    I would say "nice try" but it wasn't.

    You couldn't possibly have failed to understand that I was telling you that a background check typically takes 20 minutes, and therefore a week is not reasonable. Perhaps you're planning to carry this on a while and then say "Oh, you misunderstood, I meant how long if necessary, or _____, or _____." No thanks, not playing games here.

    If you're going to be like that, have fun arguing with yourself.
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