View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So the bottom line is we both agree that reasonable gun control laws are "OK". Politics is the art of compromise so all we have to do is negotiate our differences & decide what gun control laws are reasonable & which one are unreasonable.

    What I totally disagree with is the minority who believe that no gun controls are ever reasonable. That is a totally unreasonable opinion, imo.
    Ok, here's the compromise: I'll carry open or concealed, loaded or unloaded, any pistol or rifle, without limitation, even onto public school grounds, without official record or permit.

    In return, you get mandatory gun-ed classes in the school to support the "every American is a rifleman first" culture and a nationalized gun-care program.
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-25-09 at 05:52 PM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So the bottom line is we both agree that reasonable gun control laws are "OK". Politics is the art of compromise so all we have to do is negotiate our differences & decide what gun control laws are reasonable & which one are unreasonable.

    What I totally disagree with is the minority who believe that no gun controls are ever reasonable. That is a totally unreasonable opinion, imo.
    That minority is probably a lot larger than you think. Millions, certainly, probably tens of millions. There are an estimated 80-90 million lawful gunowning households in the US.

    Example:
    Background checks...For those who do not oppose checking to see if a potential gun buyer is a felon/pedophile, the question is how long is reasonable to allow government to perform a background check b4 you can buy that weapon?

    I'd say that 1 month would be unreasonable & to long
    I'd say that 1 week is reasonable

    This is the type of thing legislatures can thrash out.
    There's absolutely no need for that. The NICS system is perfectly capable of running a background check on a person in typically about 20 minutes. That's how long it took the last time I bought a gun.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ok, here's the compromise: I'll carry open or concealed, loaded or unloaded, any pistol or rifle, without limitation, even onto public school grounds, without official record or permit.

    In return, you get mandatory gun-ed classes in the school to support the "every American is a rifleman first" culture and a nationalized gun-care program.
    Your compromise I would not consider reasonable for any number of reasons. Therefore, if I was a legislator I would reject your proposal.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So the bottom line is we both agree that reasonable gun control laws are "OK". Politics is the art of compromise so all we have to do is negotiate our differences & decide what gun control laws are reasonable & which one are unreasonable.
    The difference is I have posted facts to back up my position. It is not just "opinion" backed up with nothing.

    Your position is completely out of whack with the reality of the crime statistics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    What I totally disagree with is the minority who believe that no gun controls are ever reasonable. That is a totally unreasonable opinion, imo.
    I agree to a point. But most gun laws are stupid feel good measures that do little like the pathetic assault weapons ban. What a joke piece of legislation that was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Example:
    Background checks...For those who do not oppose checking to see if a potential gun buyer is a felon/pedophile, the question is how long is reasonable to allow government to perform a background check b4 you can buy that weapon?

    I'd say that 1 month would be to long & therefore unreasonable.
    I'd say that 1 week is reasonable

    This is the type of thing legislatures can thrash out.
    It can be done over the phone or computer in minutes, not days.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Would be nice...."every American is a rifleman first"....has a nice ring to it
    Every American physically and mentally capable of serving in the Armed Forces (whether they do or not) should be trained to handle the light weapons commonly used by infantry.
    Either that or we have the French train us in the art of surrender.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Either that or we have the French train us in the art of surrender.
    I know a few posters here who would love this.

    Pretty scary man.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That minority is probably a lot larger than you think. Millions, certainly, probably tens of millions. There are an estimated 80-90 million lawful gunowning households in the US.
    Whatever the number, it is still smaller than the majority by definition. Why should the minority's will be forced on the majority?



    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There's absolutely no need for that. The NICS system is perfectly capable of running a background check on a person in typically about 20 minutes. That's how long it took the last time I bought a gun.
    OK...Now we are getting somewhere!

    You say that 20 minutes is what you would call reasonable. I'll start off with a week as my limit. From here it's just a simple matter of "Horse Trading" to reach an agreeable compromise. This is exactly how legislation is & should be negotiated.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-25-09 at 06:07 PM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I'll support that as long as the appropriate firearm safety course is mandatory in the Senior year of high school.
    That is actually a good idea. We have classes that basically teach how to use the first amendment like English,art, foreign language and etc, surely we should have classes on firearm safety and usage.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That minority is probably a lot larger than you think. Millions, certainly, probably tens of millions. There are an estimated 80-90 million lawful gunowning households in the US.



    There's absolutely no need for that. The NICS system is perfectly capable of running a background check on a person in typically about 20 minutes. That's how long it took the last time I bought a gun.
    Background checks will never weed out the few who shouldn't have guns, but that is probably preferred to keeping honest citizens from owning the means to protect themselves....

    Teachers have background checks, to keep pedophiles away from our children. That system is not perfect, obviously. No system is.

    There will always be an element of risk in our daily lives, always....
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Whatever the number, it is still smaller than the majority by definition. Why should the minority's will be forced on the majority
    So you support states that ban gay marriage,ban tax payer funded services to illegals, and states or cities that put up ten commandment monuments(in areas where the majority of people are Christians)?
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