View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The general population being just as armed us the military ensures that the government can not become tyrannical and ensures that if we are ever invaded we have the means to adequately protect ourselves. Therefore the 2nd amendment is very beneficial to society.
    I never bought that argument. If you take that thinking to its logical conclusion, civilians would need nukes, aircraft carriers & jet fighter to have a fair fight against their government.
    To me..that's a small, far right "Fringe" argument that very few believe.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-25-09 at 01:45 PM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The general population being just as armed us the military ensures that the government can not become tyrannical and ensures that if we are ever invaded we have the means to adequately protect ourselves. Therefore the 2nd amendment is very beneficial to society.
    Would be nice...."every American is a rifleman first"....has a nice ring to it

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    My OPINION is that I think the danger of any device should be weighed against the beneift that device gives to our crowded society.

    Example:
    Motor vehicles kill more of us each year than all the guns combined......BUT.....motor vehicles are essential devices to keep our society functioning, Therefore.....It is an acceptable trade-off.

    In my estimation & obviously most voters (as shown by the legislation that is almost universal) Firearms can be very dangerous to us collectively & therefore require REASONABLE restrictions on their type, ownership, & use.
    Thde individual's right to keep & bare arms does not negate our collective right to reasonably regulate them.

    (most states requires brakes to be in working order for you to legally operate a motor vehicle in the state. Why should we not have the same collective right to reasonably control firearms?)


    I see no societal need that (example) machine guns serve vs their potential danger to us.(hunters cannot/should not use machine guns, machine guns are unnecessary for home defense, etc)

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    Therefore, since they have little to no utility for society in general, they should be tightly regulated to keep the numbers down.
    Well since your opinion flies in the face of the facts, and you do not wish to present any facts to support your position, nothing left to debate here.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I never bought that argument. If you take that thinking to its logical conclusion, civilians would need nukes, aircraft carriers & jet fighter to have a fair fight against their government.
    I seriously doubt the government would nuke its own country,aircraft carriers do not do any good on land and a heavily armed civilian militia can probably take out or take over military bases ensure that no jets can take off or land or use the jet fuel.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    My OPINION is that I think the danger of any device should be weighed against the beneift that device gives to our crowded society.

    Example:
    Motor vehicles kill more of us each year than all the guns combined......BUT.....motor vehicles are essential devices to keep our society functioning, Therefore.....It is an acceptable trade-off.

    In my estimation & obviously most voters (as shown by the legislation that is almost universal) Firearms can be very dangerous to us collectively & therefore require REASONABLE restrictions on their type, ownership, & use.
    Thde individual's right to keep & bare arms does not negate our collective right to reasonably regulate them.

    (most states requires brakes to be in working order for you to legally operate a motor vehicle in the state. Why should we not have the same collective right to reasonably control firearms?)


    I see no societal need that (example) machine guns serve vs their potential danger to us.(hunters cannot/should not use machine guns, machine guns are unnecessary for home defense, etc)

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    Therefore, since they have little to no utility for society in general, they should be tightly regulated to keep the numbers down.
    Knives, Baseball bats, tire irons, and various other inanimate objects all pose equal if not more prevelant threats to our safety..

    But we're not regulating them... Why?

    btw, I'm not sure if you've caught onto the notion yet.. that inanimate objects don't do anything by themselves... They require intervention to do anything...
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I never bought that argument. If you take that thinking to its logical conclusion, civilians would need nukes, aircraft carriers & jet fighter to have a fair fight against their government.
    To me..that's a small, far right "Fringe" argument that very few believe.
    Nukes would not be needed as no government would use nukes against it's own populace as that would SEVERLY damage their public images with not only its civilians but also it's world image.

    And as far as fighter jets why not allow civilians to have them? Assuming that they can pass the flight tests I see no reason to not allow them to have jets. Of course it's not like private airplanes couldn't be outfitted with weapons anyways.

    Aircraft carriers? Actually I don't think that there is a law stating that civilians can't have ships that can carry/launch aircraft.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well since your opinion flies in the face of the facts, and you do not wish to present any facts to support your position, nothing left to debate here.
    I was very explicit in stating my OPINIONS. I don' claim they are anything but opinions, so I have nothing that requires proof to you.
    My opinion is that strawberry ice cream tastes better than chocolate.
    Can I prove it...to your satisfaction?....Of course not.

    I have stated no opinions that "fly in the face of facts."

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Knives, Baseball bats, tire irons, and various other inanimate objects all pose equal if not more prevelant threats to our safety..

    But we're not regulating them... Why?
    Because their benefit to society outweighs their danger.

    A machine gun's danger far outweighs any benefit to normal society. (that's why the NFA regulates them so tightly & has since 1934)
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-25-09 at 01:57 PM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Because their benefit to society outweighs their danger.
    If it weren't for private firearms we wouldn't have America, so how's that for a "benefit to society"

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I was very explicit in stating my OPINIONS. I don' claim they are anything but opinions, so I have nothing that requires proof to you.
    My opinion is that strawberry ice cream tastes better than chocolate.
    Can I prove it...to your satisfaction?....Of course not.

    I have stated no opinions that "fly in the face of facts."
    If my "opinion" disagrees with your "opinion" but mine is backed up by facts, what does this say to you?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058213550

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058213754

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058213785

    Now as I said if you have no facts to back up your opinion, we have no debate.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 08-25-09 at 01:59 PM.
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