View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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Thread: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, now you know one who doesn't agree with that statement.
    Be honest now....When you were a LEO.....you supported the idea of full auto weapons being readily available that you may have to face one day? (think about it for a minute)

    Did you ever see the films of the North Hollywood bad guys armed with AK-47's & full body armor?
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Be honest now....When you were a LEO.....you supported the idea of full auto weapons being readily available that you may have to face one day? (think about it for a minute)

    Did you ever see the films of the North Hollywood bad guys armed with AK-47's & full body armor?
    Well I can honestly say no. I was an urban street cop and we had a pretty sizable gang problem. Unfortunately for them they were pretty stupid.

    So in my case I can honestly say I never wanted to punish the majority for the actions of a tiny minority.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well I can honestly say no. I was an urban street cop and we had a pretty sizable gang problem. Unfortunately for them they were pretty stupid.

    So in my case I can honestly say I never wanted to punish the majority for the actions of a tiny minority.
    Not sure I follow??......You would or would not favor full auto weapons being available to civilians?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    The South is a different culture.

    It is a hunting and fishing and outdoor culture, a more rural and suburban than urban culture, and a place where self-reliance and community still mean a lot.

    Most of us grow up with firearms as a simple fact of life. They are used for sport, to obtain food, and in self-defense. In many rural areas, you can call 911 and wait for a long time for a Deputy to arrive... one reason people tend to rely on themselves for protection.

    We don't see guns as a tool of law enforcement and a weapon of criminals. We see them as tools, much like a chainsaw or a tractor. They are useful for various purposes, but just like the other tools named can be dangerous if misused. Responsibility with these items was imbedded in me at a young age, as it is many children hereabouts.

    I started shooting at age 5. I started my son at age 4. I was hunting before I turned 12, had my first revolver at 15.

    This is nothing unusual around here, and yet our murder rates are lower than cities with draconian gun control like DC and Chicago.

    I've studied the matter extensively, and see no evidence to link gun control with a reduction in crime. Given that "to keep and bear arms" is a Constitutional right, I'd want to see compelling evidence that any given gun law was really going to make a difference in crime, before I could possibly support it.

    NICS is acceptible, I suppose, since it sometimes keeps criminals from making purchases from legal gun dealers. The follow-up on those cases sucks though, it isn't being made full use of. Waiting periods are nonsense, and any other form of gun control that doesn't specifically target criminals is a waste and an infringement.

    Just as in the Founder's day, citizens were armed with the same weapons as the Regulars, so I maintain the same rights apply to modern American citizens.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Not sure I follow??......You would or would not favor full auto weapons being available to civilians?
    Yes I would, I have no problem with it.

    Criminals get full auto weapons legal or not. If they can't get them they take a semi-auto and convert it. All the gun laws do is make it harder for the average citizen to get the weapons.

    I live in Florida, and they are legal here anyway as well as silencers. Don't here of any full auto shoot outs with the police.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    I don't want to blow my own horn or anything, but I think it is worth making the point: when I was a cop, I didn't fear the thug's weapon. Don't care if it was a .22 pistol or a .308 FN. It is the man behind the weapon that is, or isn't, dangerous.

    Most of them, come down to it, can't shoot for **** and often aren't all that brave either, unless they're high on something. If they're high they shoot even worse.

    If they are actual "pro's" then they're going to have whatever weapons they want anyway, regardless of laws. We're aren't any better at keeping full-auto weapons out of the hands of drug dealers than we are at keeping drugs out of the hands of drug dealers.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    OK...Then I guess I have to chalk it up to regional differences then. I have lived my whole life in the north & my government assignments were mainly in the north too.
    I see no societal benefit that would overcome the inherent dangers for any civilian to own/operate any fully automatic weapon.
    The more of those type weapons that are out there...the better chance they will end up in the wrong hands. (the law abiding citizen's crazy nephew who hates everyone & wants to die!)

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Long day & off to bed I go......

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK...Then I guess I have to chalk it up to regional differences then. I have lived my whole life in the north & my government assignments were mainly in the north too.
    I was a police officer in the Chicago land Area. I grew up on the South side of Chicago. I do not agree it is a regional thing. It is a political thing as far as I can tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I see no societal benefit that would overcome the inherent dangers for any civilian to own/operate any fully automatic weapon.
    It is not about societal benefits. It is about our freedom to bear arms and how it should not be infringed upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The more of those type weapons that are out there...the better chance they will end up in the wrong hands. (the law abiding citizen's crazy nephew who hates everyone & wants to die!)
    Again I say I will not punish the majority for the actions of a criminal few.

    "The following states allow private ownership of machine guns if registered with ATF: AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MA, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI, WY." - In which US states are automatic weapons illegal? - Yahoo! Answers

    39 states allow private citizens to own fully automatic weapons. If you look at the crime statistics you will see that your assumption is wrong.

    All the statistics are here:

    "In 1980, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns. (Miami was supposedly a "machine gun Mecca" and drug trafficking capital of the U.S.) Although there are no national figures to compare to, machine gun deaths were probably lower elsewhere. Kleck cites several examples:

    Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.

    A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.

    16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations" were machine guns.
    " - GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Did you ever see the films of the North Hollywood bad guys armed with AK-47's & full body armor?
    Yea, they managed to kill a whopping zero people!

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