View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Tell me how to word legislation to make good parents?
    You can't.

    Many, many things in this world cannot be safely legislated.

    Trying causes more issues than it solves.

    This is a big problem with our current governing body.

    However.

    You can consult experts on the subject to determine what issues are causing poor parenting, and using the current systems in place to protect children, with appropriate modifications, as well as all the other current systems in place, address those issues.

    You cannot legislate the human mind, but you can modify the situation in which the human mind develops, and by improving that, improve the results.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You can't.

    Many, many things in this world cannot be safely legislated.

    Trying causes more issues than it solves.

    This is a big problem with our current governing body.

    However.

    You can consult experts on the subject to determine what issues are causing poor parenting, and using the current systems in place to protect children, with appropriate modifications, as well as all the other current systems in place, address those issues.

    You cannot legislate the human mind, but you can modify the situation in which the human mind develops, and by improving that, improve the results.
    Those ideas are great for fairyy tales & feel good movies. As far as reality is concerned, what you CAN do is make extremely lethal weapons (full auto, etc) very rare & out of reach of most suicidal teens. These type weapons have zero benefit to society outside of the military anyway.
    As a society, we have much more to fear from suicidal teen crazies than we do from criminal types. Criminals wants money........Nut jobs want to kill!
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-23-09 at 08:56 PM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Those ideas are great for fairy tales & feel good movies.
    No, they are applicable in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As far as reality is concerned, what you CAN do is make extremely lethal weapons (full auto, etc) very rare & out of reach of most suicidal teens. These type weapons have zero benefit to society outside of the military anyway.
    Incorrect as to no benefit to society. Correct as to the ability to regulate weapons.
    Availability can be addressed by my previously proposed ideas. I was not specific with those ideas because I personally do not have expertise in that field. But I know it exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As a society, we have much more to fear from suicidal teen crazies than we do from criminal types. Criminals wants money........Nut jobs want to kill!
    I very strongly doubt that you are in any way correct in this statement.
    But feel free to present supporting evidence.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As a society, we have much more to fear from suicidal teen crazies than we do from criminal types. Criminals wants money........Nut jobs want to kill!
    Please post some evidence to support this claim.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As a society, we have much more to fear from suicidal teen crazies than we do from criminal types. Criminals wants money........Nut jobs want to kill!
    Criminals are just more careful... take away cops and guns from lawbiding citizens, and the criminals will extort and threaten to kill anybody and everybody for that money. Just look at the Daltons and the James-Younger gangs... ordinary lawbiding citizenry took up guns and took on the most notorious gangs. Are AK47s needed in society? Ideally, no. Realisitically... I would rather know that all of my neighbors were armed instead of none of them. Look at what happened to the cops in LA during that shootout a bunch of years back, those two guys with AK's DESTROYED The cops, no amount of legislation is going to stop people from owning illegal guns, but arming the rest of us with same type of weapons gives us all equal footing...
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I very strongly doubt that you are in any way correct in this statement.
    But feel free to present supporting evidence.
    Let me qualify my above statement:

    I think, with the exception of drug related crimes, more innocent people are killed/injured by accidental shootings & mentally deranged attacks (with firearms) than are hurt/killed by professional criminals robbing banks...for example.
    I have not had the time to look up FBI statistics on this (feel free to do so if you have them)

    Further, I would be in favor of legalizing & taxing all drugs (to competent adults) as the only way I can see of ever stopping the drug violence prevalent in this country.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Let me qualify my above statement:

    I think, with the exception of drug related crimes, more innocent people are killed/injured by accidental shootings & mentally deranged attacks (with firearms) than are hurt/killed by professional criminals robbing banks...for example.
    I have not had the time to look up FBI statistics on this (feel free to do so if you have them)
    What you think and what the statistics say are 2 different things. Stop giving excuses and qualify your statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Further, I would be in favor of legalizing & taxing all drugs (to competent adults) as the only way I can see of ever stopping the drug violence prevalent in this country.
    Hmm... Fallacy.

    Go figure.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Let me qualify my above statement:

    I think, with the exception of drug related crimes, more innocent people are killed/injured by accidental shootings & mentally deranged attacks (with firearms) than are hurt/killed by professional criminals robbing banks...for example.
    I have not had the time to look up FBI statistics on this (feel free to do so if you have them)

    Further, I would be in favor of legalizing & taxing all drugs (to competent adults) as the only way I can see of ever stopping the drug violence prevalent in this country.
    Hm... I dont know how much time you spent dealing with ordinary runofthemill criminals, but almost none of them qualify as "professional" in their methodology. Most of them are drug addicts or alcoholics. Most of them have poor impulse control. Not uncommonly they kill people during the commision of crimes for no good reason.

    Real "pro" criminals are maybe 1 per 1000. Murderous crazies like the Columbuine kids are also relatively rare compared to 300 million population...its the ordinary criminals that tend to kill people.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hm... I dont know how much time you spent dealing with ordinary runofthemill criminals, but almost none of them qualify as "professional" in their methodology.
    I have a lifetime of experience dealing with criminals. When I use the term "professional", I'm using the dictionary definition meaning that they earn their living at crime. (It has nothing to do with their aptitude for, or their ability at crime. Simply that they have chosen the profession of crime over ...say...bricklaying)
    Most criminals are really quite bad at it & not particularly smart to start with. Usually, nothing like what is portrayed in the movies.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-24-09 at 07:42 AM.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I have a lifetime of experience dealing with criminals. When I use the term "professional", I'm using the dictionary definition meaning that they earn their living at crime. (It has nothing to do with their aptitude for, or their ability at crime. Simply that they have chosen the profession of crime over ...say...bricklaying)
    Most criminals are really quite bad at it & not particularly smart to start with. Usually, nothing like what is portrayed in the movies.
    Dodging the question yet again...

    He said...

    "Real "pro" criminals are maybe 1 per 1000. Murderous crazies like the Columbuine kids are also relatively rare compared to 300 million population...its the ordinary criminals that tend to kill people." - Goshin

    In responce to your statement...

    "I think, with the exception of drug related crimes, more innocent people are killed/injured by accidental shootings & mentally deranged attacks (with firearms) than are hurt/killed by professional criminals robbing banks...for example.
    I have not had the time to look up FBI statistics on this (feel free to do so if you have them)
    " - Devil505

    Now qualify your statement.

    You say you don't have time, but you have time to reply to other messages?
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