View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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    39 41.05%
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    45 47.37%
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Thread: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Now, I'll grant that your undercover roving LEO crew is an intresting idea. Not a bad idea in general, and perhaps and improvement over what we currently have. .....: you wouldn't have very many such crews for budgetary reasons, and only a few schools would be covered.

    Just jumping back in to make a point here
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    Just as budgetary restrictions prevent Sky Marshals from protecting every flight , the same reason would indeed prevent every school form being protected...every day. The good thing is the bad guys never know which flight, (or which school in this case) are protected & therefore can not plan an attack as easily.

    I envision a very similar system to the federal Sky Marshal system. (Maybe call them "School Marshals")

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Just jumping back in to make a point here:

    Just as budgetary restrictions prevent Sky Marshals from protecting every flight , the same reason would indeed prevent every school form being protected...every day. The good thing is the bad guys never know which flight, (or which school in this case) are protected & therefore can not plan an attack as easily.

    I envision a very similar system to the federal Sky Marshal system. (Maybe call them "School Marshals")
    Planes move around a lot.

    Schools do not.

    Therefore, it would seem more economical to have any "School Marshals" stationed in a specific school, instead of moving around to different schools.

    Although if the schools were close enough to each other...
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Planes move around a lot.

    Schools do not.

    Therefore, it would seem more economical to have any "School Marshals" stationed in a specific school, instead of moving around to different schools.

    Although if the schools were close enough to each other...
    I was thinking more of the boredom that any such job entails & being able to shuffle the crew to other jobs like SWAT, etc.

    Staying alert in these type jobs present a major problem for any LEO & being able to detail the small crew around for short periods has many benefits, imo.
    (I have known federal Sky Marshals who say that such boredom is one of the major drawbacks to those positions)

    I think it makes more sense to have many schools protected by a professional force than ALL schools barely protected by a poorly trained, amateur force.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I was thinking more of the boredom that any such job entails & being able to shuffle the crew to other jobs like SWAT, etc.

    Staying alert in these type jobs present a major problem for any LEO & being able to detail the small crew around for short periods has many benefits, imo.
    (I have known federal Sky Marshals who say that such boredom is one of the major drawbacks to those positions)

    I think it makes more sense to have many schools protected by a professional force than ALL schools barely protected by a poorly trained, amateur force.
    Ah.

    An interesting idea.

    Would these "School Marshals" be connected to the local police? Or a federal organization?
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ah.

    An interesting idea.

    Would these "School Marshals" be connected to the local police? Or a federal organization?
    Good question & I would think maybe both. (Federal forces could only be legally justified if federal money was being given to the school, I think...... but I would think a shared responsibility may be the way to go for funding purposes.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ah.

    An interesting idea.

    Would these "School Marshals" be connected to the local police? Or a federal organization?
    The costs would be excessive. The same goal could be accomplished by arming competent school officials.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I was thinking more of the boredom that any such job entails & being able to shuffle the crew to other jobs like SWAT, etc.

    Staying alert in these type jobs present a major problem for any LEO & being able to detail the small crew around for short periods has many benefits, imo.
    (I have known federal Sky Marshals who say that such boredom is one of the major drawbacks to those positions)
    Yup. Being trained to deal with a extreme situation that many never occur and maintaining readiness over a long period, is difficult.


    I think it makes more sense to have many schools protected by a professional force than ALL schools barely protected by a poorly trained, amateur force.

    See, this is where we differ. I believe that people are competent to manage their own affairs, including their own self-defense and the defense of their families and community. I am not overly impressed with the average cop's tactical training and readiness, and do not consider the average private citizen CCW to be much below Joe Cop in competence, if below him at all. This is based on my experiences with LEOs and with CCWs. Note that I'm not talking about SWAT teams, Felony Warrant Service crews, and similar specialists... talking about regular cops: who, from what I've seen, go to the range once a year to re-qual and rarely seek advanced training on their own, and rarely get any through their department either. (Budget, you know.)

    Just as I would like to see every responsible, law-abiding citizen who wishes to do so and is willing to get some suitable training, take responsibility for their own defense, get a permit and go armed... thus maximizing the presence of armed "good people" on the street...I'd prefer to see every school have a few armed staff members who've had appropriate training, every aircraft have armed/trained pilots, every legitimate businessman who so desires have a Remington 870 behind the counter as an answer to robbery, etc.

    Anecdote:

    Down in one of the roughest parts of the 'hood in the nearby city, there is a store called Biggerstaff's. Biggerstaffs has been in business there for about sixty years, and is currently under 3rd generation management by the same family.

    There is a crack house 200 feet down the road. "Meth dealer street" is just a couple blocks over. Whores walk the streets openly. Crime is rampant in that area.

    Biggerstaffs also cashes checks, and keeps literally tens of thousands of dollars in cash onhand for that purpose.

    Biggerstaff's has never been robbed. To my knowlege no one has ever even attempted it.

    Why? Mr. Biggerstaff and all the other Biggerstaffs who work there wear Glock pistols on belt holsters in plain sight. There is a deli counter behind which works Mrs Biggerstaff, and she has a shotgun behind that counter.
    On the shelf behind the cash register are several fully loaded extended magazines (the 17 round-plus type) sitting in plain sight and easy reach. Make one wrong move and you're facing a minimum of three well-armed Biggerstaffs, with enough ammo to fight a drawn-out battle.

    Nobody messes with Biggerstaff's. They've never had to shoot anyone to my knowlege, obviously because they are so well-prepared to do exactly that. Their business thrives in the middle of chaos and crime.

    Contrast that to the franchise-model convenience store a few blocks away, with the "no weapons, no resistance" corporate policy, which gets robbed regularly.


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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The costs would be excessive. The same goal could be accomplished by arming competent school officials.
    Actually, I think both ideas have some merit.

    Both have potential downsides, as well.

    I personally believe that allowing school staff members who show they are competent (through a test of some sort) to carry a firearm should be allowed to carry said firearm in school.

    The idea of "school marshals" has some merit as well, but I dislike the federal aspect of it. Unless a school has the option to ask them in or refuse them access.

    Any and all of these ideas should be on a case-by-case basis. If a school wants such, I see no reason why it should be disallowed (is it currently, or is it simply that no school has tried?).
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually, I think both ideas have some merit.

    Both have potential downsides, as well.
    I agree & feel that a real study of both options would be good. I also feel that, just as many pilots declined the option of carrying firearms...that the same thing would be true of a good number of school personnel. Obviously you can't ever force a teacher to arm himself & I personally who have misgiving about any teacher who asked to be armed. I know that sounds elitist but my thinking is that if they wanted the dangers of being an armed guard they probably would have opted for that type of profession in the first place, rather than school teacher/custodian/whatever.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

    I am not overly impressed with the average cop's tactical training and readiness, and do not consider the average private citizen CCW to be much below Joe Cop in competence, if below him at all.
    Here, you & I part company. All of my LE work was at the federal level but we worked very often with state & locals who normally were very good at what they did, & way above the tactical talents of the drug dealers & bad guys that we all dealt with.
    I think you hold LEO's in to low an opinion & the ones I have worked with were quite professional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is based on my experiences with LEOs and with CCWs. Note that I'm not talking about SWAT teams, Felony Warrant Service crews, and similar specialists... talking about regular cops: who, from what I've seen, go to the range once a year to re-qual and rarely seek advanced training on their own, and rarely get any through their department either. (Budget, you know.)
    I think therein lies the problem. Sky/School Marshal would need to be a cut above the avearge street cop & much better trained in target acquisition, hostage rescue, etc.
    I was think of drawing the "School Marshal" corp from a SWAT type organization with short term "Details" into the School Marshal program.

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