View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Your correct and I guess we shouldnt be calling it a "right". But the(government) still posses the powers granted by the constitution. So I guess he is asking should the government have more power(s) then the "people" as individuals.
    Government has privilege and duty granted to it by The People. The government uses our power and sovereignty to operate and does so through our consent.

    The government is allowed to do a great many things since some things are easily handled on the aggregated scale of the federal government. But it may not act against the rights and liberties of the People.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    I have no problem with some minor limitations. Wait periods do not bother me, registration does not bother, limits on fully automatic weapons don't bother me. I would not go past that point though.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Government has privilege and duty granted to it by The People. The government uses our power and sovereignty to operate and does so through our consent.

    The government is allowed to do a great many things since some things are easily handled on the aggregated scale of the federal government. But it may not act against the rights and liberties of the People.
    Perhaps I am guessing and making an incorrect assumption with the direction of the Ops question.

    I am not disputing your views, I completely agree that this is what the constitution grants.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have no problem with some minor limitations. Wait periods do not bother me, registration does not bother, limits on fully automatic weapons don't bother me. I would not go past that point though.
    Registration and permits turn a right into a State granted privilege. It is important that we not abdicate our rights into the realm of State granted privilege.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I voted yes, but only reasonable regulations. People must remember that the were no such things as flame throwers (though I do not see the harm in a person owning one), nuclear weapons and other modern technology. Thus, only handguns, rifles, and the such should be unregulated.
    So it would be ok in your book if, on New Years Eve (let's say) some people wandered around (drunk) in Times Square with loaded flame throwers strapped to their backs? (serious answer please)

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have no problem with some minor limitations. Wait periods do not bother me, registration does not bother, limits on fully automatic weapons don't bother me. I would not go past that point though.
    The problem with federal government regulations is the constitution does not grant them the powers to impose much of what they have done. I believe this includes firearms.

    The original meaning of regulate at the time of the constitution was "to make regular" and not "to restrict".

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    The problem with federal government regulations is the constitution does not grant them the powers to impose much of what they have done. I believe this includes firearms.
    I believe that since the 1803 SCOTUS case of Marbury v. Madison, the SCOTUS decides what the Constitution grants or doesn't grant.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Reasonable regulations are acceptable, but the intent of the 2nd Amendment and the principle of armed citizenry in general would both hold that at a bare minimum any private citizen should be allowed to be armed as well as any single infantryman without interference. This means at the very least semi-automatic pistols and fully automatic rifles, as well as high capacity magazines and safety features such as flash and sound suppressors.

    I am willing to accept licensing and regulation of explosives and machine guns, as long as the purpose and the effect of such licensing and regulation is supervisory rather than prohibitive.

    Currently the vast majority of gun laws are neither reasonable nor acceptable. Prohibitions on either open or concealed carry are immoral, prohibitive licensing schemes on automatic weapons are immoral, restriction of the arms rights of ex-convicts is immoral, waiting periods and background checks are immoral, and city- and state-wide bans on handguns, fighting knives, and martial arts weapons are immoral, along with age limits higher than 18. Any legal citizen of full majority should be legally allowed to walk down the street with a holstered sidearm or a rifle in a sling across his back without fear of harassment by law enforcement or condemnation by private citizens.

    Prohibition of mail order isn't immoral. But it's senseless.

    On the other hand, the government is well within its prerogatives to restrict the bearing and usage of arms on its own property-- from school buildings to courthouses to federal parks-- and the debate over such laws should be focused on whether or not it is good policy to do so. The government has both the right and the legitimate duty to enforce the security of public officials, and anyone who is currently serving on probation or parole may be legitimately disarmed for the duration of their sentence, and their probation or parole legitimately revoked if they are found in violation. Anyone brandishing a firearm in public for reasons other than legitimate self-defense should be prosecuted as though they had fired it.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So it would be ok in your book if, on New Years Eve (let's say) some people wandered around (drunk) in Times Square with loaded flame throwers strapped to their backs? (serious answer please)
    It is illegal in all fifty-states, as far as I know, for a person to carry a firearm while under the influence. I am not saying do away with common sense, but let them be reasonable, not regulation for the sake of regulation.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Registration and permits turn a right into a State granted privilege. It is important that we not abdicate our rights into the realm of State granted privilege.
    I do not see it that way. It's not going to be a case where we are going to convince the other, so arguing about it is probably not worth the effort.

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