View Poll Results: Are ANY government regulations of the 2nd Amendment acceptable?

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  • No. It's a Constitutional Right & no regulatioins are acceptable.

    39 41.05%
  • Yes. Reasonable regulations are acceptable.

    45 47.37%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry full auto weapons.

    22 23.16%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry flame throwers.

    11 11.58%
  • A law abiding citizen should have the right to own & carry tactical nukes.

    1 1.05%
  • gun restrictions are necessary to prevent unauthorized use by nuts.

    16 16.84%
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The 2nd discusses both a Colective and an Individual Right to bear Arms... Some regulation/control is needed.
    Don't know of anyone else who takes that interpretation.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    While the option to change "rights" as enshrined in our laws is always there (and, in fact, enshrined in said laws as well), I believe that the laws enshrined in the Constitution and its Amendments are enshrined in that way precisely to prevent casual changes. Only with a major agreement on the part of congress should any changes be made.

    Only with a vast majority agreement on the part of the citizens of the country should any Amendments be removed/altered/added.

    Even with the current crop of politicians we have in power I doubt a major change of that sort could be passed.
    I completely agree. There should be nothing casual about changing of any laws, let alone tinkering with the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They are excellent documents and should be treated with reverence.

    Additionally, I don't think that the 2nd should be changed, I was simply pointing out that it could be, and that the poster to which I was responding was being rudely illogical.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Don't know of anyone else who takes that interpretation.
    Me too, and that fact certainly does not make me incorrect either.
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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The idea that citizens should be able to fight our own military, (with it thousands of nukes, SLBM's & the like) is just a ridiculous argument, imo.
    The people who wrote that amendment had done that very thing just twenty years earlier. Clearly it wasn't too ridiculous to them.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    The idea that anyone can buy a gun, anytime is a sad, sad prospect. For example, if someone hates you, and is a in a mental institute, he can get a gun, shoot and kill you, and he'll just go back to the crazy place. That concept, that anyone, including crazies and convicts can buy guns is a horrid concept. That is what you people want when you say no regulation. You'll only care about that when a convict shoots up a bus of people with an M-16, and one of your family members is dead.
    Straw man and appeal to emotion.

    Fail.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Straw man and appeal to emotion.

    Fail.
    John Hinckley was nuts.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    John Hinckley was nuts.
    I don't think he was ever institutionalized for it, nor thought by any professional to be homicidal prior to his assassination attempt. I could be mistaken, though ...

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Do you force teachers to carry weapons?
    Always been my opinion that people who refuse to bear arms are unfit to. There's no good to be had from requiring teachers to pack heat, but there's certainly good to come of allowing them to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Would an armed teacher just be a ready target for a suicidal student to take her gun away & kill classmates?
    Seriously. Seriously. Everyone keeps using this argument as a reason that people can't use their own guns in self defense, but I have never heard of a single case where an armed citizen has been disarmed by their own assailant. I've never heard of a case where someone who is not already armed has just walked up to someone else and relieved them of their weapon. The idea of it staggers the imagination.

    That's the realm of Lifetime made for TV movies, not real life.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    If it were as easy to take a gun away from someone as certain people are prone to claim, the response would be: just take it back. After all, apparently it is SO easy to take guns from people. (/irony)

    Currently CCW permits require weapons to be concealed. If your weapon is properly concealed, a person will not know you are packing. If they don't know you are packing, how will they take what they do not know you have?

    If they suspect you are packing, first they have to figure out where your gun is hidden. Belt holster under a concealing garment? Left side, right side, small of back, appendix position? Pocket gun? Which pocket? Shoulder holster? Does the holster have a retention feature like a thumb-break strap?

    I teach this stuff as an instructor: teach people how to take guns away from others, and how to prevent others from taking their gun. It isn't as remotely simon-simple as some people try to paint it.

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    Re: Should There Be Any Regulations To 2nd Amnendment Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Always been my opinion that people who refuse to bear arms are unfit to. There's no good to be had from requiring teachers to pack heat, but there's certainly good to come of allowing them to.



    Seriously. Seriously. Everyone keeps using this argument as a reason that people can't use their own guns in self defense, but I have never heard of a single case where an armed citizen has been disarmed by their own assailant. I've never heard of a case where someone who is not already armed has just walked up to someone else and relieved them of their weapon. The idea of it staggers the imagination.

    That's the realm of Lifetime made for TV movies, not real
    life.
    Not real??

    Here are 3 incidences (2 involving cops having their gun taken away) that a 5 minute Google search found.
    FBI would have statistics but it is not rare at all. (One of the agents in my group was shot in the hand with his own gun while struggling with someone)



    New Orleans cop shot to death with her own gun - CNN.com

    Florida Cop Shot With Own Gun In Drug Bust: Top News Stories at Officer.com

    Police: Man Shot With Own Gun During Attempted Robbery - Pittsburgh News Story - WTAE Pittsburgh
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