View Poll Results: How satisfied are you with your current health insurance provider?

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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It isn't that is my point. Very few people are willing to live in a society where someone can be denied life saving care in an emergency room simply because they don't have the ability to pay for it.
    This point has been countered. You may repeat it all you want, but it has been addressed. It was found wanting.

    This well "life is tough" crap that Goobieman is spouting is a fantasy.
    On the contrary -- it -is- reality.

    Unlness, of course, tell me how, exactly, someone's right to health care trumps the right of those that provide said health care to get paid, or is so sufficienrly strong to force others to pay said providers.

    No one with a conscience is going to deny life saving care to someone in an emergency room if they are uninsured.
    If your conscience dictates this, then feel free to take care of them yourself.
    On what grounds do you presume that your conscience carries enough weight to make that same decision for others?

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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Bad luck sucks. Welcome to the world.
    Maybe you should just give up on society, since society has an intrinsic need to address the "bad luck" (statistical inevitabilities) you are so dismissive of.

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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Maybe you should just give up on society, since society has an intrinsic need to address the "bad luck" (statistical inevitabilities) you are so dismissive of.
    An "intrinsic need"?
    Show this to be true.
    And then show how that "intrinsic need" can --only-- be met by forcing people to provide the means for others to exercise their rights.

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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    that $100 a month plan is for catastrophic HC, which usually doesn't pay a dime until you hit $5k in medical expenses in a year. So a low income person is actually better off not buying HC at all and using that $1200 to try and pay for normal doc visits and prescriptions.

    The average employer-sponsored premium for a family of four costs close to $13,000 a year, well over $1,000 a month.

    NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Costs
    Is anyone here paying $400+ for health insurance a month for just themselves? What's state , age, and do you have any pre-existing conditions which would explain such a high rate?
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then your 'problem' does not exist -- people so inclined have a means to keep those w/o health insurance from dying on the street.
    See once again, that thing called reality comes up. We have people that as their conscience dictates give to charity. Yet, still, the reality is that people without insurance still show up in emergency rooms needing life saving care and would die in front of the hospital if they did not get it. Thus, they get it. Reality, deal with it.

    Now, were you going to tell me how, exactly, someone's right to healt care trumps the right of those that provide said health care to get paid, or is so sufficienrly strong to force others to pay said providers?

    Or were you going to continue to, evade, deflect and obfuscate?

    'cuz it seems to me that if you had a good, solid, sound answer, you'd take the question head on.
    I articulated that right here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058201968

    In summary though, there are basically 3 categories of rights:

    1. Rights that are derived from the principle of self ownership. These would be rights such as property rights, freedom of expression and so on.

    2. Rights that are derived from social contract. These would be positive rights such the right to vote and to petitions ones government.

    3. Rights that are derived from humanitarian law. These are unique in that they can compel action by others. For example, if a child shows up at your doorstep bleeding to death, they have a right to your assistance and thus you are legally obligated to try and help them and attempt to get emergency assistance. If someone shows up at an emergency room in need of life saving care, the emergency room is obligated to treat them even if they cannot pay.
    Last edited by SouthernDemocrat; 08-19-09 at 05:25 PM.
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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes... because those few pro-lifers that have killed abortionists are representative of the pro-life side as a whole, just like the perpetrators of 9-11 are representative of Islam as a whole.
    Does it matter? I can go on to generalize pro-lifers are just insensitive and inhumane to the issues women face, such as rape victims, child pregnancies etc. Thats a generalization that pretty much accounts for the majority of the pro-life side. Also, the pro-life side consists of a large proportion of men who are pro-life for the sake of feeling in control over womens bodies, and also consist of people ignorant to the definition of a Human being. But hey.
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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Does it matter?
    Only if you want people to take you seriously.
    Using the extreme to generalize the whole is just silly.

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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Only if you want people to take you seriously.
    Using the extreme to generalize the whole is just silly.
    True say. But read on.
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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    See once again, that thing called reality comes up. We have people that as their conscience dictates give to charity. Yet, still, the reality is that people without insurance still show up in emergency rooms needing life saving care and would die in front of the hospital if they did not get it. Thus, they get it. Reality, deal with it.
    The reality is that It doesnt matter how many times you repeat this, it has been addressed: if you are so inclined to do so, you have every right to choose to help these people.

    In summary though, there are basically 3 categories of rights:
    1. Rights that are derived from the principle of self ownership. These would be rights such as property rights, freedom of expression and so on.
    And the right to be compensated for the goods and services you provide. Glad you agree.

    2. Rights that are derived from social contract. These would be positive rights such the right to vote and to petitions ones government.
    Yes -- political rights you have because the structure of government provides/requies them. Voting, due process, jury trial, etc, exist because there is a government that necessitates them.

    3. Rights that are derived from humanitarian law. These are unique in that they can compel action by others.
    These are not rights, these are privileges, granted by law.

    Rights are self-actuated actions you can take do not impose on the rights of others. As such, you do NOT have the right to expect others to provide you with the means to exercise your rights, such as health care providers to present goods/services w/o compensation.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 08-19-09 at 05:35 PM.

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    Re: How satisfied are you with your health insurance provider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I don't accept your brazenly childish terms. ("Pro-death," indeed.)

    Grow up. Take off your ideological blinders. See that the world is many shades and not just the black and white of extreme partisanship.
    Goobie is the one that had the radically inconsistent views, nothing ideological about it.
    And I asked you to explain the pro-life position if denying poor pregnant women and infants hospital care isn't in effect pro-death.
    You failed.

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