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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You can read correct? I said...

    "You are confusing socialist and capitalist.

    Their is nothing socialist about the government stealing property for a private corporation to make money, nothing at all. It is capitalism, and yes it stinks sometimes.
    " - blackdog

    Now please point out where I said or even implied any of the stupidity you just defecated above.
    How is what you said, and imminent domain not socialist. The government takes private land in order to provide more jobs. That is socialist. I apologize if your intent was not to give approval, but as you seem to use socialism as a beacon of evil and say that stealing from the individual for that of a corporation is capitalist and may stink, but that's the system, it appeared that you had no beef with that.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Now please point out where I said or even implied any of the stupidity you just defecated above.
    Please tell me what the difference is. If you take from the wealthy insurance companies and provide insurance for everyone, opposed to taking land from a individual to give it to a company saying that you are doing it to benefit the highest number of people. They are two sides of the same coin.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The majority is not just fine. We have tens of millions of Americans that are uninsured, at least 25 million Americans that are under-insured, health insurance premiums increasing at 4 times the rate of inflation, and health care expenses being the number one reason for bankruptcy in this country.
    And we have 200,000 that are, how is that not the majority?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The question was "Is health care a right?". Obviously health care is a human right based in humanitarian law otherwise you could be denied life saving care. If health care was not a human right, you could bleed to death in front of a hospital if you were uninsured. Its a human right whether people want to admit it or not.
    Says you. Many disagree..

    Health Care Is Not A Right

    "Let's begin by defining our terms. A right is a principle that specifies something which an individual should be free to have or do. A right is an entitlement, something you possess free and clear, something you can exercise without asking anyone else's permission. Because it is an entitlement, not a privilege or favor, we do not owe anyone else any gratitude for their recognition of our rights...

    That freedom is a vital need, not only for doctors but for patients. It is only in a context of freedom that one person's need is not a threat to others. It is only in a context of freedom that genuine benevolence among people is possible. It is only in a context of freedom that the medical progress which has brought so many benefits to all of us can continue.

    The problems of our current system were caused by government. More government is not the solution. But we must oppose the expansion of government control in principle, by rejecting spurious claims of a "right" to health care, and insisting on our genuine rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.
    " - Is There a Right to Health Care?

    Now that we know many disagree with your assessment, lets move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That is not to say that just because health care is a human right means that the federal government should step in an provide it for everyone though. That is a different question altogether.
    You start calling something a "right" like the left is doing and the flood gates open. You cannot deny this.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 08-19-09 at 12:44 PM.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    How is what you said, and imminent domain not socialist.
    Because by it's nature it is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The government takes private land in order to provide more jobs. That is socialist.
    No. The government takes the land and gives it to a private company to get the increased taxes. That is capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I apologize if your intent was not to give approval, but as you seem to use socialism as a beacon of evil and say that stealing from the individual for that of a corporation is capitalist and may stink, but that's the system, it appeared that you had no beef with that.
    Since when is "stealing" a positive thing?

    No biggie.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Please tell me what the difference is. If you take from the wealthy insurance companies and provide insurance for everyone, opposed to taking land from a individual to give it to a company saying that you are doing it to benefit the highest number of people. They are two sides of the same coin.
    And what does this have to do with my statement?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Health care IS a right here in Australia. Do not turn it (UHC) into the "monster". It is a humane and sensible thing to embrace.

    Ironic some of you are going to have to be forced to do the right thing.

    Why do you have to be forced to do what's right?

    Why do you have to make such a damn racket in order to embrace what is humane and correct?

    Shoot me down, tell me to run back to my own country, whatever, but seriously, how mean-spirited can some of you be?

    Try opening your minds and hearts a little. Stop with the ridiculous "gun to the head" analogy. And try to see past yourselves - it will be good for your souls.

    Don't make God come down and beat you round the heads for being so untoward and ungenerous towards your fellow men / women.

    If you want your nation to be great, be benelovent, give a stuff about others, don't just go to church. Sacrifice for others! Care!

    (Rant Over)

    Do you think food is a right?

    Do you think shelter is a right?

    Do you think a job is a right?


    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I think in a civilized, wealthy society, there should be enough compassion and intellect to allow all the right to be able to seek medical attention. The fact that many do not see this, simply shows me how much farther humanity has to evolve. Some of you are not far removed from barbarians.
    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Compassion is not my number one concern. I want a healthy working population.
    It's possible to strongly support a policy that provides health care for everyone while still not thinking that it's a "right." I like the idea of everyone having food, but I don't think it's a right.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And we have 200,000 that are, how is that not the majority?
    At any given time, 47 million Americans do not have insurance. 25 Million Americans are under-insured. 43 Million Americans are on Medicare. Millions more are on either SCHIP or Medicaid.

    Right now private insurers are at best only servicing half of Americans and for those, premiums are increasing at 4 times the rate of inflation. Its a broken system.

    Says you. Many disagree..
    If health care is not a human right, then why can't you be denied life saving care if you can't afford it?
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do you think food is a right?
    If tens of millions of Americans could not afford food, would you consider it to be a crisis?

    Do you think shelter is a right?
    If tens of millions of Americans could not afford housing, would you consider it to be a crisis?

    Do you think a job is a right?
    If tens of millions of Americans could not find work, would you consider it to be a crisis?

    If health care is not a human right, then why can't you be denied life saving care if you cannot afford it?

    I just don't think the question as to whether health care is a right or not is nearly as cut and dry as you are trying to make it.
    Last edited by SouthernDemocrat; 08-19-09 at 01:03 PM.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And what does this have to do with my statement?
    You are saying one is capitalist and the other socialist. I say both are the same, regardless if you call them socialist or capitalist.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    At any given time, 47 million Americans do not have insurance. 25 Million Americans are under-insured. 43 Million Americans are on Medicare. Millions more are on either SCHIP or Medicaid.
    It is not the majority. Medicare is government health care, so 43 million Americans are already under Obama care.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Right now private insurers are at best only servicing half of Americans and for those, premiums are increasing at 4 times the rate of inflation. Its a broken system.
    I absolutely agree and we do need to do something to fix it. I don't see the government taking it over as the right thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If health care is not a human right, then why can't you be denied life saving care if you can't afford it?
    Simply put it is the right thing to do. This does not make it a right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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