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Thread: Is health care in the US a right?

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    In many cases working together as a team is more effective for the greater good than everyone working individually and being screwed by the insurance companies whose only aim is to make money for their shareholders. As a civilized nation there are certain standards for our people that we should aim for. We are not some poor third world country whose people are left in the streets to die, are we?

    No matter how hard we study and work our butts off in this country to live the American dream, if one member of our family is unfortunate enough to get sick then the entire family can be sunk in one unlucky swoop. Any of you who dismisses the National Health system out of hand needs to pray that a loved one doesn't get sick. You'll soon change your mind on healthcare when you have to spend all your retirement savings to get treatment for a loved one. This happened to my colleague recently. Her 30 year old daughter was diagnosed with cancer. Her husband kicked her out and she was left without insurance. Now my colleague is spending all her retirement savings to get her daughter treatment.

    We should all be allowed to have our own individual insurance policies that no-one can cancel or take away from us because they'll be making a loss to keep insuring us. We shouldn't have to pray that some idiot doesn't sack us because we are sick and then lose our health insurance as a result. It all shouldn't come down to luck!
    That all well and good, but it does not make health care a right.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Whether something is a right is a subjective question that can change with every SCOTUS decision. I think a better subjective question would be....... "Should HC in the U.S. be a right?"

    To that I would say yes.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Whether something is a right is a subjective question that can change with every SCOTUS decision. I think a better subjective question would be....... "Should HC in the U.S. be a right?"

    To that I would say yes.
    Constitutional rights are not subjective. They are outlined clearly in said document. The supreme court cannot give or take away rights. It can decide if you can or cannot do something according to the Constitution, but it cannot give or take away rights.

    No HC should not be and is not a right.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Constitutional rights are not subjective. They are outlined clearly in said document. The supreme court cannot give or take away rights. It can decide if you can or cannot do something according to the Constitution, but it cannot give or take away rights.

    No HC should not be and is not a right.
    The SCOTUS certainly can & does change the meaning of the Constitution by interpreting it & our Congress does change it by amendment. The 1865 13th & 14th Amendments outlawed your right to own slaves.
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    You used to have a right to wn slaves in this country b4 these amendments.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The SCOTUS certainly can & does change the meaning of the Constitution by interpreting it & our Congress does change it by amendment. The 1865 13th & 14th Amendments outlawed your right to own slaves.
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    You used to have a right to wn slaves in this country b4 these amendments.
    Has nothing to do with your original assertation that the SCOTUS can take away or give rights, or that they are subjective...

    "Whether something is a right is a subjective question that can change with every SCOTUS decision. I think a better subjective question would be....... "Should HC in the U.S. be a right?"

    To that I would say yes.
    " - Devil505

    You never said anything about an act of Congress.

    So again, it does not make it a right.

    So your reply was pretty much nothing but a fallacy argument that completely ignores your initial comment to which I was responding.

    Nice try though.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 08-29-09 at 11:31 AM.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Has nothing to do with your original assertation that the SCOTUS can take away or give rights, or that they are subjective...

    "Whether something is a right is a subjective question that can change with every SCOTUS decision. I think a better subjective question would be....... "Should HC in the U.S. be a right?"

    To that I would say yes.
    " - Devil505

    You never said anything about an act of Congress.

    So again, it does not make it a right.

    So your reply was pretty much nothing but a fallacy argument that completely ignores your initial comment to which I was responding.

    Nice try though.
    None of which is of any real importance to the thread topic.
    (We always seem to get bogged down in the semantic weed forest)
    I think the topic is meant to discuss whether or not one feels that HC should be a......... given, (noun)

    1. That which is just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting.

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    & I think it should be in this country, as it is in many others.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    None of which is of any real importance to the thread topic.
    I made the thread and know exactly what it is about. Yes they are important.

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    (We always seem to get bogged down in the semantic weed forest)
    No. We always get bogged down with your trying to twist out of what you said, like just now. Let's be truthful here.

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    I think the topic is meant to discuss whether or not one feels that HC should be a......... given, (noun)
    I made the topic. I was asking if you think it is a right or not, that simple. You gave your reasons and I rebutted them. Exactly why I made the topic in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    1. That which is just, morally good, legal, proper, or fitting.

    dictionary: right - Ask.com Search

    & I think it should be in this country, as it is in many others.
    This is your opinion and that is cool.

    It does not change your wrong answer to a reply I made to someone else.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I made the thread and know exactly what it is about.
    Your thread title left room to interpret the word "Right" to mean either the strict, Constitutional meaning (your interpretation) or the broader, more generic definition of the word, that I chose to respond too.

    I don't think you can successfully argue that only your, strict legal definition of the word "Right" is clearly the ONLY choice one could choose to respond to.

    If we accept that interpretation, the question you pose is a very narrow, strictly legal semantics question of no real interest to anyone but Constitutional lawyers.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-29-09 at 12:31 PM.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Your thread title left room to interpret the word "Right" to mean either the strict, Constitutional meaning (your interpretation) or the broader, more generic definition of the word, that I chose to respond too.

    I don't think you can successfully argue that only your, strict legal definition of the word "Right" is clearly the ONLY choice one could choose to respond to.

    If we accept that interpretation, the question you pose is a very narrow, strictly legal semantics question of no real interest to anyone but Constitutional lawyers.
    There is of course the possibility that you meant your thread to be a trap.......Hoping someone would respond with the broader interpretation of the word "Right" only so that you could spring your "Trap" of saying that their argument failed, since it didn't address the strict, Constitutional meaning that you could claim you meant.

    (that would have been deceitful & therefore I choose not to believe that possibility.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Your thread title left room to interpret the word "Right" to mean either the strict, Constitutional meaning (your interpretation) or the broader, more generic definition of the word, that I chose to respond too.
    This is correct and I have no problem with it. Now you don't get bent out of shape because I disagree and correct the statement that the SCOTUS gives or takes away rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I don't think you can successfully argue that only your, strict legal definition of the word "Right" is clearly the ONLY choice one could choose to respond to.
    I agree but the Constitution is quite clear on what rights we have. Only an act of Congress can change that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If we accept that interpretation, the question you pose is a very narrow, strictly legal semantics question of no real interest to anyone but Constitutional lawyers.
    Really?
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