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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

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    Property they must get for themselves, nothing is supposed to be free ride.

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    Of course, the intent was to allow us to own property, if we can pay for it. There should be no "landed gentry" in this country keeping the peasantry from rising above their "station".
    Likewise, we should be allowed healthcare, but we must pay for it. One way to pay for it is more acceptable than another, and that varies based on opinion.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Back.......Time to have a little more fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No we are not. You seem to think the garbage you are spewing is reasonable, it's not. It is stupid and completely lacks in common sense.
    Have any proof that what I'm spewing is garbage?
    Have any proof that " It is stupid and completely lacks in common sense"??


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    "When you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you.

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    Debating is about putting forth facts to back your position, not opinion.
    Have proof that debating is "about putting forth facts to back your position, not opinion"????


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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it is (please explain)
    No it is not (please explain)

    I don't think it is a defined by the Constitution in any way. I feel it is just another move by the government for more control over our lives, period.
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    Medical care should always be a negative right and never a positive right.

    People are so very foolish to believe this nonsense that you should be given Medical care.
    The irrational, illogical thinking of some people blows the mind and shows me that they only parrot what they have heard off of TV and don't think critically for themselves.

    Also Medical care is not the same as Health care.
    We should be making a distinction about this more often.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

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    Back.......Time to have a little more fun!



    Have any proof that what I'm spewing is garbage?
    Have any proof that " It is stupid and completely lacks in common sense"??



    Have proof of that?



    Have proof that debating is "about putting forth facts to back your position, not opinion"????



    Have proof that EVERYONE has an asshole? (maybe some people had a Cancer operation & don't have one anymore?.....Maybe some people have 2??)
    BTW....I hope you appreciate the good str8 line I just left you.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    we have a right to not have health care but in turn we do not have the right to have it if that makes scents

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If you truly believe that healthcare/food/shelter are rights, then you should do everything you can to ensure that others have those rights. There are millions of people starving to death who could be saved by you donating to help them. If you really believe that these are fundamental human rights, then you have a moral obligation to donate everything beyond what you need to live in order to help these people.

    If you're not willing to do that, then you're just telling yourself you give a **** because you want to make yourself feel better about your refusal to give up your nice life.
    Whether I give a **** or not is up to others to say - the ones that know me, that is. You don't know me, so you don't count.

    Anyway, this isn't about me. This is about Americans being given the opportunity to see to it that other / all Americans have their quality of life improved through UHC. Perhaps someone can start a thread on whether "quality of life" is a right, as well - and add it to all the other nonsense questions that people don't seem to have the common sense / decency to know for themselves.

    Like a sea of people with their hearts sucked out and who don't know the laws / the way of "human decency" - who don't know how to emulate / don't know how to be closer to their god by doing the right / by doing what would be the generous / benevolent / "sacred" thing to do.

    The complaints and whining against UHC are oceans apart from behaviour even remotely godlike or sacred.

    At the end of the day, I seriously don't think God will discriminate between those that claim to be religious... and those claiming not to be. In the final summation, God will judge our actions, how we treated our fellow man / woman... and will take a look to see what we have in our hearts... will look for our intent towards others. And will even look to see how we regard those others that fall by hard times and can't afford health care. If we continue to rubbish people that are down and out, that cannot afford health care, then God will most likely turn around and rubbish us, too.

    Oh, the guns to the head, and the rest of the bluster of lunatics trying to shutdown UHC. The devil would be so proud the way some people are begrudging others a better quality of life.

    34 years of UHC in Australia... and the sky hasn't fallen down. The ocean hasn't devoured us...

    If the maniacs through their bluster stop UHC from getting through, it will be a sorry day. To those who whinge and whine and begrudge others receiving a better quality of life through UHC, I'd say that your line to God is stuffed, kaput, and no longer works. You must be talking to yourselves... cos God would shout down the lot of you and dress you down for your bluster and whining over UHC. How do I know? Bloody common sense, that's all.

    If you can't tell the difference between a right and a wrong... if you have to ask what a "right" is - and then have to refer to dictionaries and constitutions... then you obviously don't know the reason that you were given a heart and a mind for.

    Pathetic.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post

    Oh, the guns to the head, and the rest of the bluster of lunatics trying to shutdown UHC. The devil would be so proud the way some people are begrudging others a better quality of life.
    & believe me.....I am very proud of them & send them out to town hall meetings every day!! (deep....evil laugh)

    (just as soon as they get out of their GOP strategy meetings)
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Self righteous garbage.
    That was quite a sermon. I am certain if God wanted us to have UHC he would have crested it for us.

    Don't try and use religion to force your views on people. No place in any Bible does it say anything about Jesus wanting the Romans to give everyone health care. He does mention a thing or two about being a hypocrite and sitting in judgment of others though.

    The rest is nothing but a useless appeal to emotion and useless for anything including an argument.

    Most people do want health care reform, they don't want Obama care in it's present form.

    Next time pull the board out of your own eye.
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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    Don't try and use religion to force your views on people.
    I'll bet you don't see the tremendous irony in your side saying that.

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    Re: Is health care in the US a right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I'll bet you don't see the tremendous irony in your side saying that.
    Please point out where I am trying to force my religious views on anyone? Please tell me oh great and powerfull cubbyhole guy who or what "my side" is?

    Wow, what a moronic argument.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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