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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Guess it's better than being the Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    LOL.

    On a serious note, and I wont do serious too often, having been in the US military I have had guns pointed at me and I have pointed guns at others.

    Both conditions are disturbing.

    Guns and idiots do not mix, the US needs gun control.
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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If the law allows for it, that is fine. There is nothing wrong with police executing their duty under the law. Whether such a law is constitutional or not, I am less certain.
    Are you assuming there is a law?
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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by JW Frogen View Post
    LOL.

    On a serious note, and I wont do serious too often, having been in the US military I have had guns pointed at me and I have pointed guns at others.

    Both conditions are disturbing.

    Guns and idiots do not mix, the US needs gun control.
    So that's what you served in the military for? I'm glad you are out.
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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Absolutely, so long as they can honestly articulate the supposed threat. I failed to disarm a mentally disturbed person once many, many years ago. The judge said the family had the guy under control and probate court would decide his fate. I recommended we seize his firearms and was told not to.

    That was my last day on duty before leaving for annual training with my reserve unit. On the bus trip to the airport I got a page. My boss was calling to tell me the bad guy had took his 12 gauge and went to a preachers home, knocked on the door, and shot him in the head when he answered. Right in front of the preachers daughter.
    It could have gone the other way, with the man doing nothing at all.
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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Absolutely. But it depends on the degree of suspicion. I would use the legal obligation that my profession requires me to use: intent/means. If someone tells me that they have intent and means to kill themselves or another, I am legally bound to report this. I would use the same determining factor for someone who owns a gun. If they state that they have intent to use the gun to harm themselves or another, the gun should be confiscated. No question about it.
    Yes, within the context described above by Captain Courtesy.




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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Not just "no" but, oh, "HELL NO!!!"

    "Suspicion" is a rather nebulous term. Just what constitutes “suspicion”?

    This is something that can be taken advantage of by the state very easily.

    Remember, it was only very recently that the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano labeled “those individuals that are proponents of ‘States Rights’ or those that oppose the growth of the Federal Government as ‘Right Wing Extremists’. Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

    She also said that, “[t]he possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

    Apparently, not being a member of the proper, politically-correct group can have you labeled as “suspicious”.
    My sentiments exactly. "Oh look right-wingers lets take their weapons they are a threat to someone". If the person did something illegal then take them to jail charge them with a crime in question and try them in a court of law.
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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are you assuming there is a law?
    Read the article linked in the OP. There is in fact a law. Reading saves asking stupid questions.

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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    If there is reasonable evidence, then maybe. But not off of suspicion.
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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    The problem lies in trusting the government not to abuse this power.


    What am I saying? Of course they will abuse it, like they abuse every power they've ever had.

    If this is to be done at all, it needs to be hemmed in with strict legal language spelling out "probable cause" and the level of evidence required before it can be instituted...not on mere suspicion. I can suspect you of anything, that doesn't mean I'm right.

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    Re: Should police take guns from people they suspect might harm themselves or others?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It could have gone the other way, with the man doing nothing at all.
    You're right. But it didn't and my worst fears came to pass. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to reconcile something like that? Temporarily disarming a person until the situation can be resolved is not an unreasonable position to take.

    Maybe my experience in actually seeing the damage done creates a bias on this issue. But if it had been you watching your father get his head blasted like a melon in your front doorway you might think differently about the idea of disarming mentally unstable people who might pose a threat to someone.
    *insert profound statement here*

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