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Thread: Energy Policy

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    Re: Energy Policy

    Let me see...

    Some dickbag's blog v. actual real life evidence

    Tough call there.
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    Re: Energy Policy

    Nuclear, for sure. It is the only green alternative to coal.
    All the others are too limited, they are at best supplements to coal.

    When it comes to aerosol/particulate pollution, Coal is the bad guy.
    Natural sources of particulates are sea salt, dust, volcanoes, and forest fires.
    Natural means NOT man made, so the dust and fires are naturally started.

    Coal combustion, if placed in that list, would fall between dust and volcanoes.
    Of the human activities that cause aerosol/particulate polllutin, Coal is by far the worst. All the rest of human activities combined add up to only a bit more than coal, those being agriculture, iron/steel manufacturing, cement manufacturing, incineratin, and combution of oil...

    source of this info is from a book about weather....The Handy Weather Answer Book, by Walter Lyons...
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    Re: Energy Policy

    nothing.
    Our people must do the investing, and of course, all of these things.
    The goal must be to be energy independent.

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    Re: Energy Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post

    That's because it's not viable on a large scale, at all. Used selectively and intelligently wind power could be used to great benefit but there's no reason to believe it's the most under utilized.
    Wind energy accounts for 20% of Danish electricity and there are plans to increase this. Modern grids are capable of dealing with the fluctuations inherent in wind power so that should not be a problem. Also, if you build them offshore, as there are big plans to do, you increase the load factor from 25% to 40-50%. I think, by say 2030 it would be possible for 40-50% of electricity in a developed country to come from wind. I believe the current US target is 15% renewables by 2020 (practically all of this will come from wind, excluding hydro which is already built), I think this target is underwhelming for a country with the innovation and technology of the USA. That was the main reason I voted for wind.
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    Re: Energy Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    Wind energy accounts for 20% of Danish electricity and there are plans to increase this. Modern grids are capable of dealing with the fluctuations inherent in wind power so that should not be a problem. Also, if you build them offshore, as there are big plans to do, you increase the load factor from 25% to 40-50%. I think, by say 2030 it would be possible for 40-50% of electricity in a developed country to come from wind. I believe the current US target is 15% renewables by 2020 (practically all of this will come from wind, excluding hydro which is already built), I think this target is underwhelming for a country with the innovation and technology of the USA. That was the main reason I voted for wind.
    Not all is rosy in Denmark, or should I quote the old line, something is rotten in Denmark...read the link...

    A Problem With Wind Power [AWEO.org]
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    Re: Energy Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post

    Let's be practical America...nuclear energy is good stuff.
    So Ethereal, do you realize that the expand nuclear to the point where it can actually reduce dependency on coal and natural gas, we'll need to expand government debt to even higher levels?

    Subsidies to produce a single nuclear plant often run into the billions. France's nuclear program is only where it is because the French Government committed billions of taxpayer Euros to finance it.

    Are you okay with the expansion of government and debt?
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    Re: Energy Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    France has already demonstrated that none of this is true. You people are just irrationally obsessed with "going green" so you will stand in the way of anything, no matter how much sense it makes or much better it is than your crappy ideas.
    Can you disprove this?

    "During the nuclear revival now allegedly underway, no new nuclear project on earth has been financed by private risk capital, chosen by an open decision process, nor bid into the world’s innumerable power markets and auctions. No old nuclear plant has been resold at a value consistent with a market case for building a new one."

    Even in nuclear happy France, private capital doesn't get into the picture without massive government backing.
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    Re: Energy Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So Ethereal, do you realize that the expand nuclear to the point where it can actually reduce dependency on coal and natural gas, we'll need to expand government debt to even higher levels?

    Subsidies to produce a single nuclear plant often run into the billions. France's nuclear program is only where it is because the French Government committed billions of taxpayer Euros to finance it.

    Are you okay with the expansion of government and debt?
    I would reduce funding for entitlement programs as well as decreasing our presence overseas in order to remain deficit neutral. As for the government expansion, so long as a Constitutional Amendment was passed I'd support it.

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    Re: Energy Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Can you disprove this?

    "During the nuclear revival now allegedly underway, no new nuclear project on earth has been financed by private risk capital, chosen by an open decision process, nor bid into the world’s innumerable power markets and auctions. No old nuclear plant has been resold at a value consistent with a market case for building a new one."

    Even in nuclear happy France, private capital doesn't get into the picture without massive government backing.
    Like I said, I'd support a Constitutional Amendment which permitted the government to create and run a nuclear infrastructure.

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    Re: Energy Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I would reduce funding for entitlement programs as well as decreasing our presence overseas in order to remain deficit neutral. As for the government expansion, so long as a Constitutional Amendment was passed I'd support it.
    At least you're consistent. Far too many people want nuclear without understanding the logistical financing behind it. I'm not sure I want to expand government to get that done.
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