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  • Protestant Christian

    28 17.50%
  • Roman Catholic Christian

    10 6.25%
  • Sunni Muslim

    5 3.13%
  • Shiite Muslim

    1 0.63%
  • Jewish

    4 2.50%
  • Buddhist

    3 1.88%
  • Hindu

    2 1.25%
  • Atheist/Agnostic

    67 41.88%
  • Other

    40 25.00%
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I can make a logical postulation about any noun.
    Is this really analogous? Could you expand?

    This is why a claim being logical is almost entirely useless when not coupled with some other basis for establishing truth. For example, empirical evidence.
    There is a limit to the powers of empiricism, no?

    Combining logical absolutes with empirical evidence is monumentally more powerful a tool for extracting truth from reality than either one alone. This is demonstrable.
    I agree, but empiricism has its limits, so logic must suffice in certain situations.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Is this really analogous?
    Flying monkeys are spawned from my butt. Logically sound. Empirically unfounded (I hope ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There is a limit to the powers of empiricism, no?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I agree, but empiricism has its limits, so logic must suffice in certain situations.
    I think you'd be hard pressed to find a situation that is reasonable to believe in which a conclusion is not based on empiricism or the premises derived from empiricism. However, a suspension of disbelief occurs for many people when it comes to the extraordinary claims in the religion they are biased towards.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Flying monkeys are spawned from my butt. Logically sound.
    Can't one postulation be more logical than another?

    Empirically unfounded (I hope ).
    I have faith...

    I think you'd be hard pressed to find a situation that is reasonable to believe in which a conclusion is not based on empiricism or the premises derived from empiricism. However, a suspension of disbelief occurs for many people when it comes to the extraordinary claims in the religion they are biased towards.
    Empiricism cannot explain “the why” ...know what I mean?

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Can't one postulation be more logical than another?
    I would say it could be more reasonable but not more logical. When I say something is logical or plausible it is because it does not violate the rules of logic such as the logical absolutes:
    Law of identity.
    Law of non-contradiction.
    Law of excluded middle.

    If something is more reasonable than another than on what basis is it more reasonable other than by conformance to the rules of logic. I suggested empiricism. On what basis are you proposing something can be more reasonable other than by those two things? For example: Intuition?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Empiricism cannot explain “the why” ...know what I mean?
    I don't mean to be obtuse but I don't understand.

    There is a difference between:
    1) not being able to explain something now with empiricism.
    2) not ever being able to explain something with empiricism.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Again, you misuse the word "faith". Unless you think that saying "I am a human being" is a statement based on faith. As Lachaen stated earlier, atheism is about as much based on faith as is not believing in unicorns. It's not an act of faith, it's a lack of evidence.


    uhm, werent you the one who has seen "sentient beings from other dimensions"?


    Just sayin....


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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    uhm, werent you the one who has seen "sentient beings from other dimensions"?


    Just sayin....


    Cute, but no, I have not encountered sentient beings from other dimensions. Even if I had, how is that even remotely relevant to the discussion we are having about you misusing the word "faith"?
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Cute, but no, I have not encountered sentient beings from other dimensions. Even if I had, how is that even remotely relevant to the discussion we are having about you misusing the word "faith"?



    Here is how:


    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I was hoping to get people's views on reality. Under the influence of psychedelics, people claim to see things that are unfathomable to the mind or things which transcend the English language. They can see, hear and touch objects in this "realm".

    My problem is with people discounting this as purely fictional. If we base reality off of the wiki definition:

    Reality, in everyday usage, means "the state of things as they actually exist". [1] The term reality, in its widest sense, includes everything that is, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. Reality in this sense may include both being and nothingness, whereas existence is often restricted to being (compare with nature). In other words, "reality", as a philosophical category, includes the formal concept of "nothingness" and articulations and combinations of it with other concepts (those possessing extension in physical objects or processes for example).

    ...We get pretty much nowhere. So what makes people automatically assume that people are seeing things which do not exist, rather than accepting that they have altered their sense of perception in this endeavor and are now seeing things that normally go unnoticed?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Haha I'm just playing devil's advocate here. What really interests me is people on different sides of the globe encountering the same sentient beings while in "hyperspace".

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    In a study done by Dr. Rick Strassman for his book "DMT: The Spirit Molecule", some of the patients saw beings that other people, across the globe, had reported seeing. Example: One of the patients saw a snake with human arms. The entity supposedly spoke to him and explained that the Universe, as we know it, was a fabrication of the human mind, and did not exist. Another man in Norway encountered the SAME being when under the effects of DMT.


    My response to Dr. Patrick:


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post


    Claiming "most people" are meeting sentient beings from different dimensions is a pretty faith based claim, no?



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    Re: What is your religion?

    Roman catholic.

    Then I've been to a catholic high school, I became agnostic.

    Then I've been to a catholic university, now I'm atheist.

    Last edited by bub; 09-10-09 at 10:07 AM.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I think you should check out the theosophists and traditionalists/perennialists on this particular area. They do at least offer some interesting solutions. Lord Northbourne's work is very intriguing. And obviously Catholic teaching deals with it as well; something tells me you didn't pay much attention to your classes on such matters.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Most likely spiritualists of some form or another. Or Mormon.
    Or high-church Anglican/Anglo-Catholics.
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