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  • Protestant Christian

    28 17.50%
  • Roman Catholic Christian

    10 6.25%
  • Sunni Muslim

    5 3.13%
  • Shiite Muslim

    1 0.63%
  • Jewish

    4 2.50%
  • Buddhist

    3 1.88%
  • Hindu

    2 1.25%
  • Atheist/Agnostic

    67 41.88%
  • Other

    40 25.00%
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think the contradiction lies in the definition of words. If you never heard of God (as an infant) that constitutes ignorance, however if you were told of God and yet did not believe in his existence, that is non-belief.

    The difference is that the former is not a decision, and the latter is.
    Theism and Atheism is a tautology. There is no third option. You are either a theist or you are not a theist (atheist).
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You said: "Most atheists do not make a claim to God(s) existence or non-existence. They are simply in the default position of non-belief."

    How can you make no claim and then take the claim of non-belief? They can't both simultaneously be true.
    Because theists by definition have a belief in God(s). If one does not have a belief in God(s), no matter what the reason for not having that belief is, they are not a theist. They are an atheist.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Belief in nothing is different than having no opinion.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Somehow it is important to atheists to have this appearance of no-belief as something that exists without action on their part.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Belief in nothing is different than having no opinion.
    Correct, but as usual you fail to explain why.

    If someone has no opinion on a belief in God(s) then they still do not have a belief in God(s) therefore they are not a theist (atheist).

    If someone believes there is no God(s) then they are also not a theist (atheist).

    The fact that these two people are both defined as atheists has nothing to do with how they arrived at the conclusions. It only matter that they both do NOT have a belief in God(s). They are both not theists (atheists)
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Somehow it is important to atheists to have this appearance of no-belief as something that exists without action on their part.
    I'm sorry you cannot accept what has been clearly shown as true. You've stooped to trolling with unsubstantiated claims that this is some atheist agenda to have some special appearance. If your claim has merit then please present the evidence for it. Otherwise quit trolling and retract your claim as nothing but your snide opinion.

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    There's only 4 options:
    1) you believe in God(s).
    2) you don't believe in God(s).
    3) you haven't considered God(s).
    4) you've considered God(s) but haven't decided what you believe.

    #1 is a belief in God(s); theism.
    #2, #3, #4 is not a belief in God(s); non-theism a.k.a, atheism.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Somehow it is important to atheists to have this appearance of no-belief as something that exists without action on their part.
    I don't really care. I don't think a god exists, it's highly improbable and I'm not going to put any stock into it at this point. I don't care if people see that as something existing without my action or not. People will point out however, that atheism is the starting point as no one is born with ideals of specific gods or afterlife or souls or any of that, but rather it is all taught later on. I don't care about these things, whether it's innate or learned is inconsequential to me. But I think the reason why some push it a little harder is to highlight atheism not as some strange and malignant mutation of people of faith, but rather a natural and logical position which exists by itself. Maybe. I don't know in the end cause I think people put too much stock in theism and atheism as qualifiers for people and how good an individual is.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    I believe in science, nature, karma, knowledge, humanity, life, introspection, history (that it repeats itself), and the human mind.
    "All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language...No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." - John Donne

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Somehow it is important to atheists to have this appearance of no-belief as something that exists without action on their part.
    Its important because there is a difference between "no I don't believe in any god, I haven't heard a good case made for one yet but am open to new evidence" and "I know there are no gods." The latter is a belief, the former is not, its non-belief; based on a healthy level of skepticism, being unconvinced by illogical arguments.

    This is important because atheism is without content, its like being a non-astrologer. I don't even like the term because I don't define label myself based on what I don't believe. I also don't feel compelled to label myself an a-unicornist.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    No one is born with any knowledge or belief in any deity. No one arrives at atheism, everyone starts there.

    We're born ignorant of the theological claims, and agnostic. IMO everyone is an agnostic because I have seen no reason to believe in any of the people who claim to "know."
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