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  • Protestant Christian

    28 17.50%
  • Roman Catholic Christian

    10 6.25%
  • Sunni Muslim

    5 3.13%
  • Shiite Muslim

    1 0.63%
  • Jewish

    4 2.50%
  • Buddhist

    3 1.88%
  • Hindu

    2 1.25%
  • Atheist/Agnostic

    67 41.88%
  • Other

    40 25.00%
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Atheism and Agnosticism are two very different things and shouldn't have been clumped together in the poll.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    The burden of proof lies with the one making a claim. Most atheists do not make a claim to God(s) existence or non-existence.

    Are you saying that atheists arrive at their positions that there is no God without knowledge? No evidence? The atheist position is a claim that they believe there is no God. But they themselves are not required to provide any evidence to support that claim?

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Most atheists do not make a claim to God(s) existence or non-existence. They are simply in the default position of non-belief.
    I hope you're old enough to realize that contradiction.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    Are you saying that atheists arrive at their positions that there is no God without knowledge? No evidence?
    No one is born with any knowledge or belief in any deity. No one arrives at atheism, everyone starts there.

    We're born ignorant of the theological claims, and agnostic. IMO everyone is an agnostic because I have seen no reason to believe in any of the people who claim to "know."

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    The atheist position is a claim that they believe there is no God.

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    Wrong, I don't claim that there is no god, when people ask if I believe in god(s), a god or their god the answer is no, because I am skeptical of their claims; The burden of proof is on them.

    When confronted with a new god that I haven't heard of, that up until that moment I had no belief in, and I find the claim logically fallacious, I continue in the same form of non-belief.

    But they themselves are not required to provide any evidence to support that claim?
    There are atheists who claim that they know that there is no god, that is a faith based claim, but we are not the same; for that is not what "a-theism" means, it means without belief.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I hope you're old enough to realize that contradiction.
    What contradiction, explain the two claims that cannot both be logically true?

    One can not believe in a god whilst not claiming to know that said god does not exist.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    Are you saying that atheists arrive at their positions that there is no God without knowledge?
    It depends on what God you are discussing and depends on the atheist. Some concepts of God I have yet to consider and thus I am in the default position of non-belief in them. Others I have considered and have found no compelling reason to believe in their claims but cannot disprove their claims. Therefore, I still do not believe in such a God but I cannot disprove/prove his existence in any reasonable manner.

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    "If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

    Quote Originally Posted by moe View Post
    For example, No evidence? The atheist position is a claim that they believe there is no God. But they themselves are not required to provide any evidence to support that claim?
    No one is required any evidence to make a claim to belief or disbelief. One can believe in anything they want for whatever reason or non-reason they want. However, if someone wishes for others to take their beliefs seriously then they do need to show why or why not its reasonable or unreasonable to believe. I have done this.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    If you do not believe in God, can you simultaneously believe that he might exist?
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I hope you're old enough to realize that contradiction.
    If the contradiction is so obvious then you should have no problem describing exactly what the contradiction is. Please do.
    Last edited by scourge99; 08-24-09 at 01:12 PM.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If the contradiction is so obvious then why is it that you cannot elaborate on exactly what the contradiction is?
    I think the contradiction lies in the definition of words. If you never heard of God (as an infant) that constitutes ignorance, however if you were told of God and yet did not believe in his existence, that is non-belief.

    The difference is that the former is not a decision, and the latter is.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If the contradiction is so obvious then you should have no problem describing exactly what the contradiction is. Please do.
    You said: "Most atheists do not make a claim to God(s) existence or non-existence. They are simply in the default position of non-belief."

    How can you make no claim and then take the claim of non-belief? They can't both simultaneously be true.

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