Buddhists have a committment to thier own nirvana as opposed to worshipping a deity. I follow Star Wars and Star Trek devoutly.
Each one of the founding fathers was a special interest group.
The early church leaders gave up their wealth, witnessed peace and forgiveness to their enemies and did not resist persecution but accepted their fates at the hands of their enemies.
This is a false assertion that I commonly encounter. Luckily I have saved a response for the occasion:
"I suggest that with your use of word 'faith' you believe you level the playing field and remove one of the atheist's more powerful arguments, namely that using reason when evaluating truth claims is superior to using faith.This claim commits an equivocation fallacy with the term "faith." The only sort of "faith" which might be common among atheists is that of mere confidence based upon and limited by repeatable, objective experiences. This is the sort of faith which can apply to the "faith" that your brakes will work, or the "faith" that the sun will come up tomorrow. This "faith" is only as strong as the evidence or reason allows and it is defeatable given new evidence or arguments.The faith you claim - religious faith in the existence of a god - is a very different matter - something Paul clearly recognized when he defined faith as the "...assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." (Hebr. 11:1) This is not the sort of faith used by those who think that the brakes on their car will work: this is the sort of faith used by those who believe without sound empirical evidence.The fact that atheists might have the former kind of faith and the fact that theists have the latter kind of faith does not mean that atheists and theists are operating or thinking the same way. It does not mean that we are forming and evaluating beliefs in a similar manner."
If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!
Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.
It doesn't take faith to not believe in a bronze age myth, reason and logic can tackle the trivial challenge.
I mean, do you have "just as much faith" in your lack of belief in every other god as you do in the god you do believe in?
How about a person who has never even heard of gods, so naturally does not believe in them. How can his lack of belief be a matter of faith?
All time started @ the big bang, so there is no "before" and all of space expanded from it so there are no other "places" for it to come from.
If it came from "anywhere" it would be a timeless "hyperspace," a higher dimension that we 3 dimensional beings would have no reference point to "look to."
If you demand a reference point for something "outside" this universe, its a bit like asking "Where is yesterday?"
If you're actually interested in the answers to those questions, read Hawkings' Briefer History of Time, or if you're not a reader google/youtube "Michio Kaku" or some other cosmologist.
We don't know for sure yet, but all signs point to their being a very large number of universes, ours being special because its one of the few capable of producing life... kinda like our planet compared to the trillion other ones in this universe.
A bit unfair and one sided don't you think? Scientists have the integrity to admit when they don't know something, and creationist go "Ha! See! So my god is responsible for it." Its never the other way around...
Last edited by Lachean; 08-21-09 at 04:42 PM.
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