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    28 17.50%
  • Roman Catholic Christian

    10 6.25%
  • Sunni Muslim

    5 3.13%
  • Shiite Muslim

    1 0.63%
  • Jewish

    4 2.50%
  • Buddhist

    3 1.88%
  • Hindu

    2 1.25%
  • Atheist/Agnostic

    67 41.88%
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    40 25.00%
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    Re: What is your religion?

    I think this thead should be in the religion section.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    But if you don't believe the Bible is worthy of consideration, just say you don't believe: if that's the case there's little point in arguing scripture with you is there?
    There are degrees of accuracy and reliability. I think it's necessary to take historical context into account when attempting to draw meaning from the Bible, just as one must take into account that the shift from the Old Testament to the New Testament represents a massive shift not only in the relationship between your God and his worshipers, but between your God and non-believers.

    For what it's worth, you can believe in much of the Bible as a historical account and spiritual account of the Jews and their enemies-- and the conflicting faiths of each-- while still keeping in mind the Bible's intended audience and the author's relationship with them.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    ^^Is anybody going to call this belief irrational? That was very well argued.
    It's a compelling argument, but it does kick us screaming into the pit of subjectivity, because if the omnipotent and omniscient god has protected his message to humanity over the centuries, then we're left with the problem that differing translations and interpretations of the Bible must all be true and that contradictions between them must be minor and/or irrelevant points.

    And then there's the arguments over which of these interpretations are valid, and which are distortions and deliberate heresies. I think we can all agree upon the divine inspiration of Moses and most of us upon the divinity or at least the inspiration of Jesus-- but that still leaves us with the question of the legitimacy of Mohammed and/or Joseph Smith. I must confess to being unable to answer that, and being thankful that I do not need to.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    It's tough to say what scripture is inspired by God and which isn't. However, I think you're going too far in saying that all interpretations must be right. I think it stops at the text. Once we start interpreting we have to be careful.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Oh, certainly. And it makes perfect sense to me for a Christian-- or any other Abrahamite-- to forsake the use of sorcery and even other forms of spiritual development that aren't specifically a part of their faith. My own faith tends to look down upon sorcery as a womanly art, and many of my fellow Asatruar consider making use of any non-Germanic spiritual practices as distancing yourself from the Reginn and the traditions of our ancestors.

    It's just confusing to me how people can be Biblical literalists, and then decide that God must have stopped handing out prophecies and miracles two thousand years ago without so much as an explanation.
    Agreed. I don't know where a person would come to the conclusion that supernatural occurrences stopped when the Biblical Canon was completed. And there is certainly a mountain of anecdotal evidence that, while not dispositive, should count for something, one would think.

    Now, that is not to say that there aren't a lot of charlatans out there ...

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Oxymoron, you started off asserting that Jesus never said he was the Son of God, the Christ. Presumably this was an argument within the context of the Biblical record.
    It is in the context of all information availble, there is no evidence that he ever claimed to be God, no evidence that he even existed as described.

    Now you want to change the argument to whether the Bible is authentic or can be relyed on.
    No I am saying the current Bible was "corrected" much later then the supposed time of Jesus.




    ...then it follows that He would have a message for His creation, and that He would be able to preserve that message down through history, and that any machinations of men would be fruitless and any evil intentions turned to work for good, to preserve that message for future generations.
    so what is the freaking point? You are describing a Dog tring to catch its tail.

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    But if you don't believe the Bible is worthy of consideration, just say you don't believe: if that's the case there's little point in arguing scripture with you is there
    The Bible is a worthy historical artifact but to live life thinking there is nothing else to learn and a simple obedience to Jesus is all that is required for a fufilling life is a waste of time. God doesnt care for your obedience, he doesnt even know that you exist. You are a cell and God is the Organism.


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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's tough to say what scripture is inspired by God and which isn't. However, I think you're going too far in saying that all interpretations must be right. I think it stops at the text. Once we start interpreting we have to be careful.
    But you can't simply stop at the text, and you cannot avoid interpretation, because the text itself is contradictory-- not only between different translations, but within them. The text itself is an interpretation of a prior text, and even assuming divine guidance, the differences in those interpretations must be considered and reconciled if the true message is to be understood. And then there is the matter of those things which are "cultural context" because they would be considered morally unacceptable by modern cultures-- such as nearly the whole of Leviticus.

    Not to mention, whether or not "the text" includes portions or the entirety of the New Testament, the Apocrypha, the Koran or the Book of Mormon. Determining which texts to consider canon seems to be itself a matter of interpretation and faith.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    I know, but you included the books of Moses and the Gospels which many would agree were divinely inspired. We have to interpret, but we can't say that all interpretations are right, which is the vibe I was getting from you a few posts back.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    It is in the context of all information availble, there is no evidence that he ever claimed to be God, no evidence that he even existed as described.
    In the bible, there is: I posted some of it for you, Baron posted some more. If you choose not to accept what the Bible says, then there is little point in us talking about what Jesus did or didn't claim as the bible is the record of his teachings.

    No I am saying the current Bible was "corrected" much later then the supposed time of Jesus.

    so what is the freaking point? You are describing a Dog tring to catch its tail.

    The Bible is a worthy historical artifact but to live life thinking there is nothing else to learn and a simple obedience to Jesus is all that is required for a fufilling life is a waste of time. God doesnt care for your obedience, he doesnt even know that you exist. You are a cell and God is the Organism.

    I'm sorry you feel that way; your statements are, btw, as dogmatic as any I've ever made, just from the opposing stance. Given your position, I see little point in debating the matter with you further. I learned some time ago that banging my head against brick walls was pointless.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    In the bible, there is: I posted some of it for you, Baron posted some more.
    The bible was written after Jesus was long dead, taking it at face value is not very logical given that its not a historical account. You want to believe in it, fine but your are closing your mind.

    If you choose not to accept what the Bible says, then there is little point in us talking about what Jesus did or didn't claim as the bible is the record of his teachings.
    There is a thing called archeology and history, by which we can figure out a great deal about that time. reffering to the Bible to defend the bible is rather odd.


    I'm sorry you feel that way; your statements are, btw, as dogmatic as any I've ever made, just from the opposing stance.
    Yes my Dogmatic beliefs that one should question and one should not accept at face value what is given with out evidence.

    Given your position, I see little point in debating the matter with you further. I learned some time ago that banging my head against brick walls was pointless
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