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  • Protestant Christian

    28 17.50%
  • Roman Catholic Christian

    10 6.25%
  • Sunni Muslim

    5 3.13%
  • Shiite Muslim

    1 0.63%
  • Jewish

    4 2.50%
  • Buddhist

    3 1.88%
  • Hindu

    2 1.25%
  • Atheist/Agnostic

    67 41.88%
  • Other

    40 25.00%
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You're not answering the question. Don't you believe that people who hold delusional beliefs delusional? So aren't you calling all people who believe in any kind of religion here delusional?
    In regard to those specific beliefs, certainly. That doesn't mean they are entirely delusional, people have an amazing ability to compartmentalize. Take Francis Collins for example, former head of the Human Genome Project and proposed head of the National Institute of Health. His scientific credentials are above reproach, his commitment to rationality and logic and the scientific method are unquestionable, yet he's also an evangelical Christian. Somehow, and frankly I don't understand how, he can keep those two sides of his life separate. On the science side, he's unquestionably rational. On the religious side, he certainly isn't. Yet he manages to keep both in check.

    Would I call Francis Collins delusional? For a certain part of his life, absolutely. Do I suspect he'd get upset about it? Almost certainly not.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Hook, line, and sinker. I am so ashamed.

    There's plenty of good in the mainstream Abrahamic religions, though. Plenty of bad, too, but that's to be expected with memberships in the billions. Actually quite a few Abrahamic sects that I have quite a bit of respect for, for various reasons.
    Thanks for that.


    I just have doubts about any faith that recognizes the divine but questions the supernatural-- what is spirituality and what does it mean if you reject any claims about its effects on the material world?
    Korimyr, could I persuade you to expand on that point a bit? I'm not too sure exactly what you're referring to.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Korimyr, could I persuade you to expand on that point a bit? I'm not too sure exactly what you're referring to.
    I find it baffling how many people can believe in the miracles of Jesus and Moses, or even the various miracles of the Catholic saints, and not believe in any other magic or give credence to any modern day miracles. I don't understand how someone can believe in angels, but not ghosts or fairies or any other kind of spirit.

    In short, I can understand how a person of Christian faith can label such things as "unclean" or dangerous, but not how they can dismiss them as "superstition."

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I find it baffling how many people can believe in the miracles of Jesus and Moses, or even the various miracles of the Catholic saints, and not believe in any other magic or give credence to any modern day miracles. I don't understand how someone can believe in angels, but not ghosts or fairies or any other kind of spirit.

    In short, I can understand how a person of Christian faith can label such things as "unclean" or dangerous, but not how they can dismiss them as "superstition."

    Gotcha, thanks.

    You're aware of course, that these beliefs in various spiritual things differ greatly from one denomination to another, and from one individual to another, amongst Christians.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Certainly so, but I think I would be tempted to question the bona fides of a Christian that doubted the loaves and fishes or the turning of water into wine.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Certainly so, but I think I would be tempted to question the bona fides of a Christian that doubted the loaves and fishes or the turning of water into wine.

    As would I. Either you believe Jesus was God the Son, and able to do these things with ease... or one's "faith" as a Christian is debateable.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As would I. Either you believe Jesus was God the Son, and able to do these things with ease... or one's "faith" as a Christian is debateable.
    I find that troubling, since Jesus never proclaimed himself the son of God, but simply said that he was the son of God as are all humans. In any case any spiritual belief should be based on the idea of learning and achieving rather then accepting and following. If you simply accept that your preacher or Bible gives you a program to follow then it really is too simple. I believe it is the objective of any spiritual men to ask questions, to learn, to move forward.


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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    I find that troubling, since Jesus never proclaimed himself the son of God, but simply said that he was the son of God as are all humans. .

    That is a common misconception, often repeated but incorrect.

    Allow me to elucidate:


    Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

    Mat 16:15 He (Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

    Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

    Mat 16:21 ¶ From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

    Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

    Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

    Mat 16:24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

    Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

    Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels;
    Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
    Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


    Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.


    Jhn 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.


    Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?


    Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Jhn 14:7 ¶ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    Jhn 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.


    Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?


    Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    Jhn 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
    Seems quite clear that Jesus was proclaiming that he was the promised Messiah and Redeemer, the Christ, the Son of God. He proclaimed plainly that he was the only way to God, and whoever had seen him had seen God the Father, because they were one.

    I'd say that is quite plain and clear, if one is considering this within the context of beliefs based on the bible.

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    Re: What is your religion?

    “Seems quite clear that Jesus was proclaiming that he was the promised Messiah and Redeemer, the Christ, the Son of God. He proclaimed plainly that he was the only way to God, and whoever had seen him had seen God the Father, because they were one.

    I'd say that is quite plain and clear, if one is considering this within the context of beliefs based on the bible.”
    – Goshin

    Well said.

    I would also like to add to that…

    Daniel 7:13

    “I kept looking in the night visions,
    And behold, with the clouds of heaven
    One like a Son of Man was coming,
    And He came up to the Ancient of Days
    And was presented before Him.” - NASB

    The name “Son of Man” is used prophetically of Jesus to refer to Himself and is used over 80 times in the New Testament. Jews of the day would not have missed the implication that Jesus was claiming to be God every time he called Himself by this name.

    Matthew 26:64-65

    “Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN. Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy” - NASB

    The Jews of Jesus’ time understood that for Jesus to call Himself “The Son of Man” was to equate Himself with God. This is why the Jews tore their robes and accused Him of blasphemy.

    Luke 22:69-71

    “But from now on THE SON OF MAN WILL BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND of the power OF GOD."
    And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am."
    Then they said, "What further need do we have of testimony? For we have heard it ourselves from His own mouth." - NASB

    Again, Jesus equates Himself with God and it is recognized as such by the Jewish leaders.

    These are just a few examples. Jesus also calls Himself “the Alpha and the Omega” (Revelation 22:13) which is a name exclusive to God alone.

    There are many more but this should suffice.
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    Re: What is your religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    “Seems quite clear that Jesus was proclaiming that he was the promised Messiah and Redeemer, the Christ, the Son of God. He proclaimed plainly that he was the only way to God, and whoever had seen him had seen God the Father, because they were one.

    I'd say that is quite plain and clear, if one is considering this within the context of beliefs based on the bible.”
    – Goshin

    Well said.

    I would also like to add to that…

    Daniel 7:13

    “I kept looking in the night visions,
    And behold, with the clouds of heaven
    One like a Son of Man was coming,
    And He came up to the Ancient of Days
    And was presented before Him.” - NASB

    The name “Son of Man” is used prophetically of Jesus to refer to Himself and is used over 80 times in the New Testament. Jews of the day would not have missed the implication that Jesus was claiming to be God every time he called Himself by this name.

    Matthew 26:64-65

    “Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN. Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy” - NASB

    The Jews of Jesus’ time understood that for Jesus to call Himself “The Son of Man” was to equate Himself with God. This is why the Jews tore their robes and accused Him of blasphemy.

    Luke 22:69-71

    “But from now on THE SON OF MAN WILL BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND of the power OF GOD."
    And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am."
    Then they said, "What further need do we have of testimony? For we have heard it ourselves from His own mouth." - NASB

    Again, Jesus equates Himself with God and it is recognized as such by the Jewish leaders.

    These are just a few examples. Jesus also calls Himself “the Alpha and the Omega” (Revelation 22:13) which is a name exclusive to God alone.

    There are many more but this should suffice.
    Blasphemy and heretics There is but one lord and his (first) name is Tucker. May he hear my prayer as I read form the good book:

    Tuckerectomies 22:41 And thus the lord spaketh unto Tucker, "Go forth, ye heathenous bastard, and spread thine stupidity far and wide, implanting thy seed in many a female, for it is thy Lord's will that thine seed be planted." So Spaketh the Lord thy God

    22:42 And Tucker doth went forth and spreadest his seed in as many ways as he could until one day he found a rocky place where his seed could not find purchase and he called out "Oh Lord, why has thou given this fair maiden a Womb of Stone? Is she not pious enough? Doth she give effrontery to thine glory?"

    22:43 And the Lord doth spaketh up, "No Tucker, She doth not give effrontery to mine glory. She is just a sheep, you simple-minded fool."


    May he smite all the other false Gods before him so that we may join him in the short yellow bus in the sky.
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