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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would correct that by saying "what constitutes just cause is not universal but rather specific to a given society...but the right to life itself, absent whatever is considered just cause by that society, is universal."


    That is, the right to life is universal...what constitutes just-cause for violating that right is specific to a given society.
    Even if it is universal to all societies, even if all societies have just cause to have this right, it is still NOT inalienable if the society has just cause. You just defeated your own argument.
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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    A despotic regime that arbitrarily violates the inalienable rights of man is nothing more than a despotic regime that arbitrarily violates the inalienable rights of man.
    Which means they're not terribly inalienable, are they? Rights only exist so long as everyone involved agree they exist.
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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Theres one question that i need answered that draws the line between me agreeing and disagreeing that we have inalienable rights;

    Are all Humans, or at least, should all Humans, be entitled to the right of Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, or do we think we should be entitled to those rights?
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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Are all Humans, or at least, should all Humans, be entitled to the right of Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, or do we think we should be entitled to those rights?
    They are not only entitled to that pursuit, they have it naturally. Only intervention by society itself can prevent that pursuit.

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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They are not only entitled to that pursuit, they have it naturally. Only intervention by society itself can prevent that pursuit.
    So, its a natural instinct, but not actually inalienable right.
    I think thats where people need to learn to differentiate.
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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    So, its a natural instinct, but not actually inalienable right.
    I think thats where people need to learn to differentiate.
    It's an inalienable right, but that doesn't mean it won't have obstacles. Society is the obstacle.

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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Theres one question that i need answered that draws the line between me agreeing and disagreeing that we have inalienable rights;

    Are all Humans, or at least, should all Humans, be entitled to the right of Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, or do we think we should be entitled to those rights?
    Sure, I think they should, but I happen to live in a culture where that's true. If I lived in a different culture where these rights didn't exist, I'd likely have a different view.
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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Can anyone morally defend theft and murder? If not, then life and property are among our inalienable rights.

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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Can anyone morally defend theft and murder? If not, then life and property are among our inalienable rights.
    Because you say so, of course. I can certainly make a case for specific instances of stealing to feed your family and killing in self defense. So much for "life and property".
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    Re: Do Humans really have inalienable rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Can anyone morally defend theft and murder? If not, then life and property are among our inalienable rights.
    Easily. We commit theft and murder almost constantly during war and defend both vehemently.

    Not to mention the all too easy defense of self defense, defense of family, friend, or others, and stealing to live.

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