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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    You could be forced to help others. Someone could put a gun to my head to make me help you with your problems, but that wouldn't be altruism. God wants help that is done from the bottome of one's heart not the barrel of a gun
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Why would you feel "forced" to help others? Isn't "helping others" a natural by-product of being a Christian?
    You don't understand.

    The Christian virtue of helping others is derived from the fact that -you- have -chosen- to give up part of -yourself- to improve someone's life.

    That's the example set at the crucifixtion.

    Forcing others toi help? Not the same.
    Beinng forced to hel? Not the same.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    [QUOTE=Laila;1058192567]The end results matters more than the 'motive' to me.QUOTE]

    Not for God.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I have already addressed the error in this position.
    Repeating that position does nothing.
    Unless you can show that you live under a dictatorship and thus the government is not reflection of the values and priorities of the people, then you can't exclude your actions at the voting booth and the town hall from the commandments of scripture.

    You can say that you don't believe the health care proposals in congress would work, and thus would not help the poor, and thus you don't support them, and that would be a perfectly valid position to take as a Christian.

    However, you cannot say in a republic or a democracy that christian values of compassion do not have to be reflected in the government that represents you. That is nothing but pure heresy.

    For example, take SCHIP, the program that is a cooperative effort between the federal government and the states to provide health coverage to children of the working poor. That program did not come about as a result of a decree from Caesar where all were forced to comply. Instead, it was a result of the actions of people at the voting booth and their petitioning of their government that represents them. The people could just as easily choose to abolish it. That is why you don't get to use the excuse you are using to compartmentalize God.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Not for God.
    And what God is this?

    Edit: Oh right, Jesus.
    Stupid me.


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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes. To choose to freely give of yourself to those that need it.
    Forcing others to give outside their will to do so is not found in and does not follow from that example.
    What if the example of Christ's compassion was expanded to a society rather than just the individual? A Christian society would worry about the poor first and the cost second. Why do so many Christians seem to be on the side of abandoning the poor to suffer? I want an explanation on that one. Why haven't Christians demanded an end to a system that leaves so many out in the cold?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    Its all based on free will - you have to make the choice to help others.
    Why do you suppose so many don't make the choice to help others? And more than not choosing to help others, why is it those who genuinely need help are sometimes treated like utter crap and told that they are to blame by those that never seem to get around to the choice of helping others?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Why do you suppose so many don't make the choice to help others?
    Beats me. Its their choice to make.

    And more than not choosing to help others, why is it those who genuinely need help are sometimes treated like utter crap and told that they are to blame by those that never seem to get around to the choice of helping others?
    Beats me. That's their choice to make as well.

    What's your point?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Why do you suppose so many don't make the choice to help others? And more than not choosing to help others, why is it those who genuinely need help are sometimes treated like utter crap and told that they are to blame by those that never seem to get around to the choice of helping others?
    Some people choose to be selfish, but what's life without choices?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    What if the example of Christ's compassion was expanded to a society rather than just the individual?
    Of course it includes society. That is the problem with their attempts to compartmentalize God. Society is not a separate entity. Its merely the collective group of individuals. Thus if a society is composed of Christians it should reflect the same values collectively that Christians should reflect individually.
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