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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Fair enough.
    I think it is stupid personally but then in that context of 'charity'. Christians would have no obligation to support UHC.
    Why is it stupid?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I thought that Jesus was big on people doing good themselves, and not forcing others to help people.
    Why would you feel "forced" to help others? Isn't "helping others" a natural by-product of being a Christian?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Helping people have no meaning. Interesting.

    I thought US was majority Christian? Shouldn't they be willingly jumping to help people? Y'know, follow Jesus's example.
    If your neighbor came by and said "My car broke down and I don't have the money to fix it and won't be able to get to work without it, could you possibly give me $500, I'd really appreciate it" and you do it, that's charity. That's you being a kind person, willing to help someone out because you have money to spare.

    If your neighbor came by holding a gas can and a lighter in his hand and goes "My car broke down and I don't have the money to fix it and won't be able to get to work without it. If you don't give me $500 to fix it I'm going to make sure the next time you leave home I'm going to set your house on fire". If you then give the money to him that's not charity, that's not being willing ot help someone out because you have the money to spare, that's being intimidated, threatened, extorted, and coerced to give him the money because if you don't bad things will happen to you.

    You want to give $1000 to the Red Cross, I applaud you for being a good person.

    You want to go out and find a down on the luck friend and agree to finance their health care plan, you're a hell of a guy, nice job.

    You want to give your money to CFC and just let them pick what charity they think needs it, great.

    That's Charity.

    The government going "You're going to give us your money, we're goin to give it to who we think is needy of it, and if you don't we're going to throw you in jail" is not Charity.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes... but also that people do those things voluntarily.
    Else, they have no meaning.
    The entire point, the very basis of Christianity is to act in the example of Christ. The dogma of every christian church in the world states that Jesus was sent as an example to mankind of how a person should be. These rebuttals of "free will" are missing the point I am trying to make. Jesus would not worry about money when there are poor people to help. If the want for a few more dollars stands in the way of any christian helping his fellow man then he far from perfect in his faith. Perhaps someone should quote some scripture that supports the idea that a government helping it's citizens is a bad thing.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Once again, God does not compartmentalize. If you go to the voting booth, you should be practicing justice and compassion in what you vote for and who you vote to represent you, just like as a Christian you have to practice justice and compassion in every other aspect of your life. You cannot simply ignore the sick and the poor at the voting booth or at the town hall.
    I have already addressed the error in this position.
    Repeating that position does nothing.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Hey I'd just like to point out, uhm, if he was coming back, according to his book there, we are in for a world of hurt.....


    4 horsemen and ****....


    Healthcare would be irrellevant....
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    The entire point, the very basis of Christianity is to act in the example of Christ.
    Yes. To choose to freely give of yourself to those that need it.
    Forcing others to give outside their will to do so is not found in and does not follow from that example.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    To give a bit of an analogy as to why "helping people" no matter how you're doing it is not necessarily a virtue.

    Everyone remember as a kid when some kids are "forced" to apologize?

    If you go, and apologize for something, because you're told if you don't you'll suffer harsher consquences, but you don't have any remorse or guilt for what you did and would do it again in a heart beat then that apology is hardly a virtue.

    if you however wrong someone, feel guilt and remose over that, and offer a heart felt apology because you truly believe you were wrong then that is a virtue of someone admitting and accepting their own mistakes.

    Both instances has someone "apologizing for their mistake" however in one case they're doing it because they're forced to and in reality they have my remorse in the least and in the other case its sincere, heartfealt, and done freely.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Why would you feel "forced" to help others? Isn't "helping others" a natural by-product of being a Christian?
    You could be forced to help others. Someone could put a gun to my head to make me help you with your problems, but that wouldn't be altruism. God wants help that is done from the bottome of one's heart not the barrel of a gun

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Why is it stupid?
    The end results matters more than the 'motive' to me.
    I never realised just how strong it had to be 'voluntary' in Christianity.
    I thought it was the same as Islam in that it was a obligation, something that is part and parcel of being a Christian. You cannot be a Muslim without performing zakat.
    Last edited by Laila; 08-14-09 at 12:00 PM.


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