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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Forced charity, by Government edict, certainly is not Christian charity. It is oppression.
    Yes, thankfully you Christians are doing the Christian thing and caring for your neighbors, loving them as you love yourself. Thus there is no healthcare crisis, no ghetto, no poverty and so on.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And compair the dates...

    The latest translations (as in 2008) do not say slavers. Sorry.


    Blackdog, I didnt miss the dates. However, the bible is not an article, with updates. Its printing in 2008 makes it no more authoritative. For example, I was brought up on the King James Bible, but after some 25 years someone brings out a version in 2008 and I and every Christian is supposed to take it as the words of Christ?

    Yea just like the most recent translation.

    Please dude get real.

    Please dont try that on us. I encourage you also to get real.


    When they take it by force to give to someone else it is. It is not charity at that point.
    What is stealing is not defined by you. If taxation were stealing it would be against the law.
    But please, dont take my word for it. Just try and sue the US government for stealing your taxes over the years...you could make millions back in paid taxes! I encourage you to try it.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post


    Blackdog, I didnt miss the dates. However, the bible is not an article, with updates. Its printing in 2008 makes it no more authoritative. For example, I was brought up on the King James Bible, but after some 25 years someone brings out a version in 2008 and I and every Christian is supposed to take it as the words of Christ?
    The translations allot of them in the old Bibles are completely wrong. The KJV is considered the worst.

    For example it is "you shall not murder" not "you shall not kill." Huge difference.

    Literally thousands of such errors are in the KJV and other Bibles. The newest Bibles are translated from the actual Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic not the KJV.

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    Please dont try that on us. I encourage you also to get real.
    I just did with a little thing called a facts.

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    What is stealing is not defined by you. If taxation were stealing it would be against the law.
    Please point out where I said all taxation is stealing? I said when the government takes money by force to redistribute it to others it is stealing. It is by the definition.

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    But please, dont take my word for it. Just try and sue the US government for stealing your taxes over the years...you could make millions back in paid taxes! I encourage you to try it.
    You are kidding right?
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Yes, thankfully you Christians are doing the Christian thing and caring for your neighbors, loving them as you love yourself. Thus there is no healthcare crisis, no ghetto, no poverty and so on.
    How, exactly do you equate there being poverty, etc, to Christians not doing what Christ taight?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Yes, thankfully you Christians are doing the Christian thing and caring for your neighbors, loving them as you love yourself. Thus there is no healthcare crisis, no ghetto, no poverty and so on.
    That is simply ignorant and nothing more than a useless red herring.

    You fail.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    Yes, thankfully you Christians are doing the Christian thing and caring for your neighbors, loving them as you love yourself. Thus there is no healthcare crisis, no ghetto, no poverty and so on.
    What do you want? People to be completey provided for off the pay of others?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The translations allot of them in the old Bibles are completely wrong. The KJV is considered the worst.

    For example it is "you shall not murder" not "you shall not kill." Huge difference.

    Literally thousands of such errors are in the KJV and other Bibles. The newest Bibles are translated from the actual Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic not the KJV.



    I just did with a little thing called a facts.
    Indeed, you do highlight some interesting dilemmas. Many thanks.

    Lets set out things more clearly;

    1/ The use of 'kidnappers' does not logically exclude slave traders. As of course, one may gain slaves by kidnap. Thus the statements on such by Jesus do not take the politics out of his message.

    2/ The ISV you rely on is not above criticism and thus neither I nor I fear many across the world will be taking it on as the revealed word any time soon given the ISV's interesting take on things;

    ISV -
    I am the true vine, and my Father is the vintner
    .

    Vintner meaning wine seller.

    KJV -
    I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
    Much better.

    I should also here mention the frequent Americanisms peppering the work that damage its credibility and make it likely that itll be some time before its received across the world;
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    Please point out where I said all taxation is stealing? I said when the government takes money by force to redistribute it to others it is stealing. It is by the definition.
    My apologies, I didnt know I had to wait for you to say 'all' taxation before I could make the point.
    So those taxes you pay that do not come directly back to you are stolen?



    You are kidding right?
    Of course! We both know it would be a fools errand.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    I doubt Jesus would have much of an opinion either way, which characterizes his feelings toward most Roman policies. Christianity is mostly about transcendence. You can enjoy earthly things if you have them and don't disperse your soul into them, but you are still supposed to be fine even if you possess nothing material. Because you have the kingdom of heaven, through which eternal paradise and all things are possible.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I doubt Jesus would have much of an opinion either way, which characterizes his feelings toward most Roman policies. Christianity is mostly about transcendence. You can enjoy earthly things if you have them and don't disperse your soul into them, but you are still supposed to be fine even if you possess nothing material. Because you have the kingdom of heaven, through which eternal paradise and all things are possible.
    Then why be a brother to man?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Wanted to take a second and point something out here. This is not an attack, just an observation on this thread and others like it.

    BLZebub - Not Chrsitian
    Devil505 - Not Christian
    Disnydude - Christian
    Gwendoline - Unknown
    Joe1991 - Not Christian
    Laila - Sunni Muslim
    Layla Z - Unknown
    NDN Dancer - Not Christian
    SouthernDemocrat - Jeffersonian Christian (I know exactly what that is as I am similar)

    Out of the 9 Members who voted yes to the question only 2 or 3 are actual Christians. 4 are confirmed non-believers/different religion. I would say the 2 unknown are likely Christians of some sort but you never know.

    Interesting. This deserves another thread all to itself.
    Not that it is anyone's business but I am a Christian. I've worked for churches as a youth minister, music minister, and peer minister and I was a summer missionary during college. I am also a huge believer in the separation of church and state.

    In my current job, I see so many kids who are sick but their parents can't afford to take them to the doctor. These are not lazy parents who aren't working in most cases, but even if they were sitting at home drinking beer all day, should their child be punished? What seems to happen is that the parents wait until the child is seriously sick, then they end up in the ER which they really can't afford. When they can't pay their bill who ends up paying for it? Is universal health care the best answer for this? I think so, not because I am a Christian but because I think it is the right thing to do.
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