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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    No this case too, you may well be for some other type of healthcare, but if you are against helping all of your fellow men then you had best be for some other way of making sure all men are given support or you'll be falling foul of christ.
    Bull****. Who are you to tell me I must come up with some way to give all people health coverage or I am falling foul of Christ????

    **** you and the horse you road in on. I can honestly say Jesus would tell you much the same in less harsh wording. Actually I know exactly what he would say...

    "Judge not lest you be judged."

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    There is no way out of one's responsibilities to man and in the end liberals are unconcerned about charity or public options, as long as one can guarantee cover for everyone.
    So it sounds like they don't care unless they can get out of being personally responsible. I see.

    I already give to charity, I don't need the government to take it from me forcibly to redistribute it.

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    Its irrelevant that none are righteous, for its the striving that counts. Grasping at straws no. I draw on a long tradition.
    A tradition of what tyranny and majority rule?

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    Every kind act reflects the kindness that governs daily life. Every political actor is a human actor, from the highest to the lowest. Every law will affect you at some point in your life as our personal lives are rules by political forces and vice versa, especially these days. The personal has always been a political phenomenon right back to when we moved in nomadic tribes. The separation is cute, convenient, but in the end in vain.
    Save it for a dumb ass who would believe contrary to what is the reality of the situation.

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    Simply because it wasnt the great evil of the day. Slavery occurred for many reasons, including the restitution of debt.
    Bull****. It was because in Rome it was legal, period.

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    Why on earth not?
    Because they were making a statement about faith in God not politicizing anything.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Bull****. Who are you to tell me I must come up with some way to give all people health coverage or I am falling foul of Christ????

    **** you and the horse you road in on. I can honestly say Jesus would tell you much the same in less harsh wording. Actually I know exactly what he would say...

    "Judge not lest you be judged."
    I am your fellow human, giving my interpretation of Christ, that's who.

    You should have mentioned the next line too, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again"

    I have little difficulty being judged on this matter, as I by supporting both charity and public support and ensuring I'm doing the best I can for fellow man.

    So it sounds like they don't care unless they can get out of being personally responsible. I see.

    I already give to charity, I don't need the government to take it from me forcibly to redistribute it.
    They are responsible personally for giving of charity and the contribution to public support, there is no getting out.

    Indeed you do give to charity, as do I. Charitable support is a poor method for providing support for an entire population. Thats why its immoral to demand that one's society relies on this method.

    A tradition of what tyranny and majority rule?
    Majority rule certainly, but I was referring to the christian socialist tradition.



    Save it for a dumb ass who would believe contrary to what is the reality of the situation.
    The political nature of personal life refers directly to the nitty gritty of real life.



    Bull****. It was because in Rome it was legal, period.
    It was legal everywhere, and was normal practice among the tribes.


    Because they were making a statement about faith in God not politicizing anything. :
    Yet again and again the powers that be took the trouble to find them and kill them.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Ummmm . . .

    Slavery is an evil no matter if it's legal.

    Are you saying it's not? Are you saying as long as it's widespread and legal, it's not evil?

    Is that seriously what you're saying?
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Aside form the fact that this is wrong, it doesn't address what I said.

    If you believe that it is OK for force your version of Christian morality onto others, you must then agree that it is OK for others to do the same.

    And so, when someone argues that we should do something you don't like because of their version of Christian morality -- like, say, ban abortion and/or same-sex marriages -- you do not have any standing to disagree.

    Else, you're just a hypocritical partisan bigot.
    It addresses what you said in the most direct terms. I certainly do have standing to disagree, Biblical interpretation and the definition of life are that basis and are the start points of the debate on that basis, the basis is not that Christ was an apolitical phenomenon.

    The only question is how far should it go? Helping your fellow man and proscribing murder or should it reach right into the bedroom to adultery? As it is morality, Christian morality, extends into most areas of life to some degree - that's why prostitution remains an uneasy gambit where the law in concerned.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ummmm . . .

    Slavery is an evil no matter if it's legal.

    Are you saying it's not? Are you saying as long as it's widespread and legal, it's not evil?

    Is that seriously what you're saying?
    Im aware that Jesus spoke out against the traders in slaves, which is less a matter of personal indebtedness than outright profiting on misery.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Just because you want to throw the label "socialism" on UHC doesn't make it so.

    Publicly funded government ran health care is described as socialized medicine. So support of socialized medicine/health care is support for socialism. If you do not like being viewed as a socialist then you shouldn't support socialist programs. If you like supporting socialist programs then you shouldn't mind you or those programs being called socialist.

    Your rationale would make Education, Public works (roads, bridges, highways), Police/Fire services, etc....all socialist programs.

    Then again....you probably honestly view them as such, correct?

    Public works as well as police and firemen is generally something usually funded by tax payers. Where most of the roads in Roman empire funded solely by private entities or where they funded by the taxes the government in the Roman empire collected.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Im aware that Jesus spoke out against the traders in slaves, which is less a matter of personal indebtedness than outright profiting on misery.
    That's not what I asked.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Publicly funded government ran health care is described as socialized medicine. So support of socialized medicine/health care is support for socialism. If you do not like being viewed as a socialist then you shouldn't support socialist programs. If you like supporting socialist programs then you shouldn't mind you or those programs being called socialist.




    Public works as well as police and firemen is generally something usually funded by tax payers. Where most of the roads in Roman empire funded solely by private entities or where they funded by the taxes the government in the Roman empire collected.
    Do you view other things such as justice and defence as socialised?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Do you view other things such as justice and defence as socialised?
    According to this reasoning, nothing is ever socialism.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Publicly funded government ran health care is described as socialized medicine. So support of socialized medicine/health care is support for socialism. If you do not like being viewed as a socialist then you shouldn't support socialist programs. If you like supporting socialist programs then you shouldn't mind you or those programs being called socialist.




    Public works as well as police and firemen is generally something usually funded by tax payers. Where most of the roads in Roman empire funded solely by private entities or where they funded by the taxes the government in the Roman empire collected.
    In your argument "funded by tax payers" = Socialism. This would include education and public works. If you disagree, how do you differentiate between "Publicly funded healthcare" and services "usually funded by tax payers"?
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