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Thread: Healthcare question for Christians

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    He talked a lot more about caring for the sick and led more of example doing such....
    Yes... all examples of which involved people doing so out of their own free will, and none of which involved forcing others to adhere to His teachings.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not in this case, although it can be.
    No this case too, you may well be for some other type of healthcare, but if you are against helping all of your fellow men then you had best be for some other way of making sure all men are given support or you'll be falling foul of christ.
    There is no way out of one's responsibilities to man and in the end liberals are unconcerned about charity or public options, as long as one can guarantee cover for everyone.

    It is unfortunate there is none righteous, no not one.

    Seriously your grasping at straws here and basically claiming everything is political.
    Its irrelevant that none are righteous, for its the striving that counts. Grasping at straws no. I draw on a long tradition.



    No not political. Simple acts of righteousness are not necessarily political actions. Then again you have already shown you think everything is political or has political ramifications.
    Every kind act reflects the kindness that governs daily life. Every political actor is a human actor, from the highest to the lowest. Every law will affect you at some point in your life as our personal lives are rules by political forces and vice versa, especially these days. The personal has always been a political phenomenon right back to when we moved in nomadic tribes. The separation is cute, convenient, but in the end in vain.



    Then why didn't they speak out against slavery? That was in all honesty the greatest evil of the day?
    Simply because it wasnt the great evil of the day. Slavery occurred for many reasons, including the restitution of debt.

    The Disciples also never went against Roman law, ever. You can say they did but it does not make it true. They did however get killed over what they believed. I guess that makes them political as well?
    Why on earth not?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then it's a false Appeal to Authority, which is a fallacy. By his own words, he's going outside Scripture and adding his own spin to it.
    Ill take him as a fair authority on Christianity as many others would. He would no doubt explain that rather than adding his own spin he is revealing the meaning.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Why then is it that liberals are the first to scream when a conservative even hints that their position on a political issue might be inspired by their Crhistian faith?
    Because conservative pronouncements are so much less refined, so much more strident that the Liberal half of America fears the conservative interpretation will be forced and before long more than simply the morality of christianity, christ will be forced down everyone's throats.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Because conservative pronouncements are so much less refined so much more strident that the Liberal half of America fears the conservative interpretation will be forced and before long more than simply the morality of christianity, christ will be forced down everyone's throats.
    If you believe that it is OK for force your version of Christian morality onto others, you must then agree that it is OK for others to do the same.

    Else, you're just a hypocritical partisan bigot.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you believe that it is OK for force your version of Christian morality onto others, you must then agree that it is OK for others to do the same.

    Else, you're just a hypocritical partisan bigot.
    All our law already stems from this tradition. Most liberals agree with the law.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This is a question for Christians:

    WWJD?

    Would Jesus support a UHC plan or would he feel that healthcare should be portioned out based on an individuals ability to pay?
    Jesus did not advocate socialism. There is a difference between charity and the government stealing your money to give to someone else. Jesus would most likely advocate that doctors out of their own free will heal the sick and injured for free or at least free for those who can not afford medical care. So this notion that Jesus is a socialist is absurd.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    All our law already stems from this tradition. Most liberals agree with the law.
    Aside form the fact that this is wrong, it doesn't address what I said.

    If you believe that it is OK for force your version of Christian morality onto others, you must then agree that it is OK for others to do the same.

    And so, when someone argues that we should do something you don't like because of their version of Christian morality -- like, say, ban abortion and/or same-sex marriages -- you do not have any standing to disagree.

    Else, you're just a hypocritical partisan bigot.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Jesus did not advocate socialism. There is a difference between charity and the government stealing your money to give to someone else. Jesus would most likely advocate that doctors out of their own free will heal the sick and injured for free or at least free for those who can not afford medical care. So this notion that Jesus is a socialist is absurd.
    Just because you want to throw the label "socialism" on UHC doesn't make it so. Your rationale would make Education, Public works (roads, bridges, highways), Police/Fire services, etc....all socialist programs.

    Then again....you probably honestly view them as such, correct?
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Ill take him as a fair authority on Christianity as many others would. He would no doubt explain that rather than adding his own spin he is revealing the meaning.
    I have no doubt that he would say that.
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