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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Oh I quite disagree, its a very political parable. Moreover, as Martin Luther King Jnr said ;

    "On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."

    True compassion is more than charity, which is what Jesus's life exemplifies.

    Re conservatives & liberals, as said liberals draw their morals from their historical and religious background, i.e. their morality is christ inspired, not their organisational outlook since after all Christ's only organisational outlook was communist as we can see from how the disciples conducted themselves.
    Good grief. Martin Luther King, Jr., was not Jesus.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Good grief. Martin Luther King, Jr., was not Jesus.
    I dont recall saying he was. I was just illustrating my point using an authoritative speaker on the subject.

    Thanks for your contribution anyway.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Simple! From the simple fact that the personal is political.
    Not in this case, although it can be.

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    Righteousness, between men, not just between man and God, is truly political.
    It is unfortunate there is none righteous, no not one.

    Seriously your grasping at straws here and basically claiming everything is political.

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Its a very convenient get out to say that all he wanted to communicate was love your neighbour. However, Jesus did more than simply preach neighbourliness, he referred to King Herod as a Fox, he chases the money changers from the Temple and spoke out against the religious leaders of his day for their exclusions, their lack of care for the downtrodden - all intensely political acts.
    No not political. Simple acts of righteousness are not necessarily political actions. Then again you have already shown you think everything is political or has political ramifications.

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Moreover the disciples of Jesus, the ones who tell his story, they themselves did not refrain from speaking against the evils of their day. When Jesus said render unto Ceasar etc. they did not take it as a commandment to leave aside politics but to speak out as importantly to be courageous enough not to worship Ceasar as God, but only God himself.
    Then why didn't they speak out against slavery? That was in all honesty the greatest evil of the day?

    The Disciples also never went against Roman law, ever. You can say they did but it does not make it true. They did however get killed over what they believed. I guess that makes them political as well?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There is no doubt in my mind that if Jesus were alive today that he would be strongly advocating for Universal health care.
    The arguments against this position are overwhelming.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not about taking up a political cause...its about doing the right thing involving your fellow mankind.
    There's no support for the idea that He would have His followers force others to adhere to His teachings.
    Thus, your argument fails

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Re conservatives & liberals, as said liberals draw their morals from their historical and religious background, i.e. their morality is christ inspired...
    Why then is it that liberals are the first to scream when a conservative even hints that their position on a political issue might be inspired by their Crhistian faith?
    Last edited by Goobieman; 08-17-09 at 01:27 PM.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    I dont recall saying he was. I was just illustrating my point using an authoritative speaker on the subject.

    Thanks for your contribution anyway.
    Then it's a false Appeal to Authority, which is a fallacy. By his own words, he's going outside Scripture and adding his own spin to it.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Oh I quite disagree, its a very political parable. Moreover, as Martin Luther King Jnr said ;

    "On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."

    True compassion is more than charity, which is what Jesus's life exemplifies.
    It STILL has nothing to do with the followers Christ forcing the tenets of His teaching onto others.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then why didn't they speak out against slavery? That was in all honesty the greatest evil of the day?
    Nor the unjustly imprisoned, though you are supposed to personally comfort them.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Nor the unjustly imprisoned, though you are supposed to personally comfort them.
    It is hard to believe people try to make Jesus left or right a political issue.

    It is like watching the Pharisees all over again.

    Not that I was there to see it, lol.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 08-17-09 at 01:37 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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