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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Where did Jesus talk about abortion?
    Right after he talked about universal health care.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Other people tried to politicize the positions of Jesus, not Jesus.

    Isn't that what people are doing in this thread?
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I would say it was political yes, but this has nothing to do with Jesus getting involved in politics. He did not and so your question is irrelevant.

    Other people tried to politicize the positions of Jesus, not Jesus.
    Thank you. An interesting point.

    However, while its true Jesus did not want to be King, or create a kingdom on earth. However, it would be wrong to think that Jesus had little to do with politics. His message was to applied to all of life, which has considerable political ramifications. Moreover he example of his life is itself a call to involvement in the social arena. For charity? Certainly. For more than just charity? Certainly, because Jesus was concerned with righetousness, which in Hebrew culture was not just about one's own relationship with God, but between people - all people. His pronounced blessing on those who hunger and thirst to see righteousness dominate the affairs of mankind is a perfect example of his concern for righteousness, not just in the here after but today and now.

    Consider Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan, it not only addresses culture race and creed but indicts religious leaders who are unwilling to anything about these problems - thus the answer to the OP is made clear.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Thank you. An interesting point.

    However, while its true Jesus did not want to be King, or create a kingdom on earth. However, it would be wrong to think that Jesus had little to do with politics. His message was to applied to all of life, which has considerable political ramifications. Moreover he example of his life is itself a call to involvement in the social arena. For charity? Certainly. For more than just charity? Certainly, because Jesus was concerned with righetousness, which in Hebrew culture was not just about one's own relationship with God, but between people - all people. His pronounced blessing on those who hunger and thirst to see righteousness dominate the affairs of mankind is a perfect example of his concern for righteousness, not just in the here after but today and now.

    Consider Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan, it not only addresses culture race and creed but indicts religious leaders who are unwilling to anything about these problems - thus the answer to the OP is made clear.
    There is nothing political about the Good Samaritan story.

    You know, it's interesting . . . liberals throw a hissy-fit whenever they think conservatives are claiming God for their side. But they're clamped on pretty tight here.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Right after he talked about universal health care.
    He talked a lot more about caring for the sick and led more of example doing such than he even came close to talking about abortion.
    You might want to read up on his life sometime.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    He talked a lot more about caring for the sick and led more of example doing such than he even came close to talking about abortion.
    You might want to read up on his life sometime.
    Claiming that Jesus had a position on either abortion or state-sponsored healthcare is a circumstantial argument at best.

    And kindly take your condescending attitude towards my Biblical knowledge somewhere else. Thanks.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by creation View Post
    Thank you. An interesting point.

    However, while its true Jesus did not want to be King, or create a kingdom on earth. However, it would be wrong to think that Jesus had little to do with politics. His message was to applied to all of life, which has considerable political ramifications.
    His message had nothing to do with politics or trying to politicizes his life. His message was about salvation and how to live your personal life.

    So how you get "political ramifications" from loving God above all things and love others as you love yourself is beyond me.

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    Moreover he example of his life is itself a call to involvement in the social arena. For charity? Certainly. For more than just charity? Certainly, because Jesus was concerned with righetousness, which in Hebrew culture was not just about one's own relationship with God, but between people - all people. His pronounced blessing on those who hunger and thirst to see righteousness dominate the affairs of mankind is a perfect example of his concern for righteousness, not just in the here after but today and now.
    Still has nothing to do with a political agenda or UHC, nothing at all.


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    Consider Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan, it not only addresses culture race and creed but indicts religious leaders who are unwilling to anything about these problems - thus the answer to the OP is made clear.
    This little tidbit says it Better than I could...

    "Thus cast appropriately, the parable regains its message to modern listeners: namely, that an individual of a social group they disapprove of can exhibit moral behaviour that is superior to individuals of the groups they approve; it also means that not sharing the same faith is no excuse to behave poorly, as there is a universal moral law. Many Christians have used it as an example of Christianity's opposition to racial, ethnic and sectarian prejudice."

    "On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to say to Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?". "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" asked Jesus. The man answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

    In the end the whole parable was nothing but showing that all men are your neighbor. Again nothing to do with UHC or anything political.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Isn't that what people are doing in this thread?
    Yes, exactly.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There is nothing political about the Good Samaritan story.

    You know, it's interesting . . . liberals throw a hissy-fit whenever they think conservatives are claiming God for their side. But they're clamped on pretty tight here.
    Oh I quite disagree, its a very political parable. Moreover, as Martin Luther King Jnr said ;

    "On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring."

    True compassion is more than charity, which is what Jesus's life exemplifies.

    Re conservatives & liberals, as said liberals draw their morals from their historical and religious background, i.e. their morality is christ inspired, not their organisational outlook since after all Christ's only organisational outlook was communist as we can see from how the disciples conducted themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    His message had nothing to do with politics or trying to politicizes his life. His message was about salvation and how to live your personal life.

    So how you get "political ramifications" from loving God above all things and love others as you love yourself is beyond me.
    Simple! From the simple fact that the personal is political.


    Still has nothing to do with a political agenda or UHC, nothing at all.
    Righteousness, between men, not just between man and God, is truly political.



    This little tidbit says it Better than I could...

    "Thus cast appropriately, the parable regains its message to modern listeners: namely, that an individual of a social group they disapprove of can exhibit moral behaviour that is superior to individuals of the groups they approve; it also means that not sharing the same faith is no excuse to behave poorly, as there is a universal moral law. Many Christians have used it as an example of Christianity's opposition to racial, ethnic and sectarian prejudice."

    "On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to say to Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?". "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" asked Jesus. The man answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

    In the end the whole parable was nothing but showing that all men are your neighbor. Again nothing to do with UHC or anything political.
    Its a very convenient get out to say that all he wanted to communicate was love your neighbour. However, Jesus did more than simply preach neighbourliness, he referred to King Herod as a Fox, he chases the money changers from the Temple and spoke out against the religious leaders of his day for their exclusions, their lack of care for the downtrodden - all intensely political acts.

    Moreover the disciples of Jesus, the ones who tell his story, they themselves did not refrain from speaking against the evils of their day. When Jesus said render unto Ceasar etc. they did not take it as a commandment to leave aside politics but to speak out as importantly to be courageous enough not to worship Ceasar as God, but only God himself.

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